In this episode of the Awake & Winning Podcast, Kaylor sits down with Mark Gober, a former Silicon Valley exec turned consciousness researcher, to unpack a staggering number of paradigm-shifting ideas. From psychic abilities and non-local consciousness to viruses, simulation theory, and the Mandela Effect—this episode challenges everything you think you know. Mark is the author of An End to Upside Down Thinking and six other books exploring the hidden science behind consciousness and reality. He explains how much of mainstream science is based on inference, not proof, and why models like viruses and the globe earth might not be as solid as we think.

Whether you're a skeptic or a seeker, this mind-expanding episode will leave you questioning reality and wanting more.

Episode Highlights: consciousness, remote viewing, psychic abilities, simulation theory, flat earth theory, censorship in science, spiritual awakening, quantum physics, brain vs. mind, mainstream narratives, afterlife, Mandela Effect

Takeaways:

• What sparked Mark's awakening from mainstream to metaphysical
• Why science isn't as evidence-based as we think
• The surprising scientific support for remote viewing and telepathy
• The argument that viruses have never been directly observed
• Why most scientists stay silent due to fear and career risk
• How consciousness might be the fabric of reality—not the brain
• Flat earth vs. globe: why neither model fully adds up

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RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

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Websites | https://www.markgober.com/

Book | An End to the Upside Down Cosmos: Rethinking the Big Bang, Heliocentrism, the Lights in the Sky…and Where We Live

Podcast | https://open.spotify.com/show/4ejBG3cGHTok592813S9Ih

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