"Get me out of here." Five simple words religious scholar Diana Butler Bass heard repeatedly while sitting in a pew at the National Cathedral in Washington, DC. But why? And who was whispering this to her?

Jesus. And she writes about why in her latest book, Freeing Jesus: Rediscovering Jesus as Friend, Teacher, Savior, Lord, Way, and Presence

Diana and Marianne discuss what Jesus means to them individually and the importance of freeing him from the confines of doctrine and dogma. As Diana says, "When I think of Jesus I think of wisdom. I think of embodied compassion. I think of this incredible vision of justice."

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