Going Inside: Healing Trauma from the Inside Out

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In this conversation, John Clarke brings together a panel of colleagues and co-authors to dive into their new book, Opening the Inner World. Together, they explore where Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy meets the spiritual insights of Emanuel Swedenborg. The panel shares their own journeys, the transformative impact of IFS, and how Swedenborg’s teachings on the inner self and divine inflow can deepen our understanding of trauma and healing. They also discuss the nature of consciousness, the power of inner dialogue, and the role of spirit in our lives — highlighting how self-awareness and a connection to the divine can open the door to profound healing and growth.

🌿 Key takeaways:

1. Uncover how blending IFS and Swedenborg’s teachings can open new pathways to deep emotional and spiritual healing.
2. See trauma through a new lens by understanding it as part of a larger spiritual experience, not just a psychological wound.
3. Experience a fresh perspective on how your spiritual and physical selves are constantly interacting and shaping your life.
4. Recognize how the illusion of separation keeps us stuck — and how reconnecting with your true self (and helping your clients do the same) brings lasting change.

Stay in touch with our guests below: 

🗣️ Chelsea Rose Odhner

A lifelong student of Swedenborg’s teachings, Chelsea Rose Odhner has extensive professional experience synthesizing Swedenborg’s teachings into content for a global audience. Combined with her work as a bodyworker, and an IFS practitioner and coach, Chelsea adds a unique and informed perspective to integrating IFS therapy with the system of the spiritual world that Swedenborg describes.

🗣️ Robert Falconer 

A dedicated therapist and teacher of the IFS model, Robert Falconer has contributed significantly to the field through his research and writings. His work focuses on how our minds are not just multiple, but also porous. He brings this lens to IFS, especially in the context of trauma and spiritual experiences.

🗣️Jonathan Rose

A scholar of Emanuel Swedenborg and Neo-Latin translator, Jonathan Rose has published extensively on Swedenborg’s theological and philosophical ideas. He serves as the Series Editor for the New Century Edition of Emanuel Swedenborg’s Theological Works. His expertise brings a deep spiritual dimension to the book, offering readers insights into concepts in Swedenborg’s spirituality that resonate with IFS.

@chelsea.odhner
@locusofhealing
https://robertfalconer.us/
@swedenborgfoundation
https://swedenborg.com/

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In this episode of Going Inside, host John Clarke sits down with integrative therapy guide Elena Kundro to explore the powerful intersection of hypnosis and Internal Family Systems (IFS). Together, they unpack how trance states and somatic work can deepen self-awareness and accelerate healing, especially when traditional therapeutic approaches fall short. Elena shares insights from her own personal healing journey, lessons from guiding clients through inner work, and how blending spiritual practices with IFS has transformed the way she helps others reconnect to their true selves.

Whether you're a therapist, healer, or someone deep on your own inner path, this episode offers grounded wisdom, practical insight, and soul-deep inspiration.

🔑 3 Key Takeaways

1. IFS and Hypnosis Naturally Complement Each Other
    Hypnosis can ease clients into deeper states of inner connection, helping them access their self-energy and bypass mental noise, which is particularly helpful for clients who struggle to connect with parts consciously.
   
   
2. Healing Gets Harder Before It Gets Easier
    Elena and John reflect on how beginning the healing journey can feel like learning to walk again—challenging but ultimately freeing.
   
   
3. The Real Work Is Being with What Is
    True healing isn't about fixing yourself. It’s about embracing all parts—including shame, fear, and resistance—with curiosity and compassion.

👤 Guest: Elena Kundro

Elena Kundro is an integrative therapy practitioner blending hypnotherapy, Internal Family Systems (IFS), somatic work, and spirituality to guide clients back to their inner truth. With more than a decade of personal healing and over six years of client experience, Elena brings humility, embodiment, and deep wisdom to every session.

📲 Connect with Elena:

• Instagram: @elenakundro
  
  
• Facebook: facebook.com/elenakund
  
  
• YouTube: @elenakundro
  
  

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In this enlightening episode of Going Inside, trauma therapist John Clark sits down with Reiki master and certified sound healing practitioner Boshko Boskovic. Boshko shares how his personal health journey led him to energy work, and how practices like Reiki and sound healing can profoundly support trauma recovery and energetic hygiene. The conversation dives into the science and spirituality behind these healing modalities, the importance of tuning into your own energy field, and practical ways therapists and sensitive individuals can care for their energy in a noisy, high-stress world.

3 key takeaways:

1. Energetic hygiene is essential – especially for therapists and healers. Practices like Reiki, sound healing, and Qi Gong help clear and restore the body’s vibrational balance.
   
   
2. Your voice is a healing tool – Boshko explains how vocalization and “sounding” can release stuck trauma and support deep emotional processing.
   
   
3. Slowing down is revolutionary – Even five minutes of stillness or connection with nature can help us reset and reconnect with our authentic selves.

Learn more about Boshko Boskovic here:
Website: https://letshealnyc.com
Instagram: @letshealnyc

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In this solo episode, I reflect on my recent conversation with Mel Galbraith, the COO of IFSCA, and dive deeper into the challenges of practicing Internal Family Systems (IFS). I talk about the tricky balance therapists often face—how easy it is to show up with the best intentions, but accidentally lead from self-like parts instead of true self-energy. You’ll hear me share some personal insights on why slowing down is so essential in this work, why letting go of an agenda actually helps clients go deeper, and how even seasoned therapists can unknowingly blend with their own parts. I also unpack one of the biggest paradoxes in IFS: when we stop trying to make something happen, that's when real healing starts. This episode is perfect for therapists and coaches who are interested in their own inner healing, as well as the inner healing of their clients.

Key Takeaways:

• Why IFS is “simple but not easy” — and why that matters for therapists and clients alike
• The hidden challenge of self-like parts and how they disrupt therapy without you noticing
• How to spot when you (as a therapist) are blending with your own parts during a session
• Why interventions often backfire — and what IFS teaches us about honoring protector parts

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In this episode, I’m joined again by Mel Galbraith of IFSCA, a seasoned IFS therapist and teacher, to dive into what it means to be self-led in the therapy room. We talk about the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways our therapist parts show up during sessions, and how being human—and having parts—doesn’t make us bad therapists. In fact, when we tend to those parts with care, we actually expand our ability to hold space for clients. We explore how therapist agendas can interrupt attunement, why love and curiosity are key to working with any system, and how the work we do on ourselves is just as important as what we do with clients. If you’re a practitioner trying to deepen your self-leadership and your IFS skills, this one’s for you.

🌿 Key takeaways:

1. Therapists must attend to their own parts in real time to maintain attunement with clients.
2. Effective IFS work relies equally on knowing the model and staying grounded in self-energy.
3. Clients feel safer and go deeper when therapists release the agenda and trust the process.

Learn more about Mel Galbraith below:

https://www.youtube.com/@IFSCA

www.youtube.com/@mel.galbraith

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In this episode, I take you inside an IFS session by revisiting a past demo and offering live commentary on my thought process, choice points, and reflections. You'll see firsthand how the Six F’s of IFS (Find, Focus, Flesh Out, Feel, Fear, Befriend) unfold in real time as I guide a client through working with a protective part that resists emotional closeness. I break down the importance of tracking parts, honoring protectors, and moving at the speed of trust to ensure safety and effectiveness in the IFS process. 

🌿 Key takeaways:

1. The Six F’s of IFS provide a structured yet fluid way to engage with parts, ensuring safety and connection throughout the process.
2. Protectors often surface early in sessions, signaling fears that must be acknowledged before deeper work can take place.
3. Tracking your own therapist parts—such as the urge to "make progress"—is crucial for staying self-led and honoring the client’s pace.

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Group therapy offers a unique healing experience that individual work alone cannot replicate. In this episode, I sit down with therapist and group work specialist Carrie Haynes, LPC, to explore the profound impact of Internal Family Systems (IFS) in group settings. We discuss how group dynamics naturally foster self-energy, how witnessing others' healing creates internal shifts, and why self-leadership in a group setting is a transformative practice. Carrie shares insights from her journey integrating psychodynamic therapy, spirituality, embodiment work, and IFS into group facilitation—helping both therapists and clients unlock deeper healing.

🌿 Key takeaways:

1. Witnessing others' IFS work naturally activates our own healing process and strengthens self-energy.
2. Group therapy fosters belonging, connection, and healing in a way that individual therapy often cannot.
3. Great group facilitators balance structure with openness, allowing transformation to unfold naturally.

Learn more about Carrie at: https://carriehayneslpc.com/

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Take a moment to pause, breathe, and connect with your inner world. This Internal Family Systems (IFS) Daily Parts Check-In meditation guides you through gently noticing your internal landscape, inviting all parts to the table, and fostering self-leadership.

🌿 In this meditation, you’ll:
✔️ Learn how to tune into bodily sensations as a way your parts communicate.
✔️ Practice inviting and acknowledging different parts of yourself without judgment.
✔️ Offer self-energy to the parts that need you most, helping build trust and inner harmony.

Whether you're an IFS practitioner, therapist, or simply exploring your internal world, this check-in is a great daily practice to cultivate self-awareness and self-compassion.

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Here are three simple but powerful ways to start practicing Internal Family Systems (IFS) on your own. Whether you're a therapist integrating IFS into your work or someone looking to deepen your self-awareness, these practical steps can help you connect with your parts, cultivate self-energy, and build a more compassionate inner dialogue.

Key Takeaways:

1. Use parts language in everyday life.
2. Recognize how you access self-energy.
3. Befriend your parts instead of resisting them.

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In this special crossover episode of Going Inside and the Therapeutic Astrology Podcast, I’m interviewed by Mannah once again to explore the nature of anxiety through an Internal Family Systems (IFS) lens. We discuss how anxiety operates within the system, its connection to deeper fears, and how working with parts can help navigate uncertainty and fear. Together, we unpack the downward arrow technique, the role of protectors in managing anxiety, and the power of self-led healing in transforming our relationship with fear.

Key Takeaways:

1. Anxiety often masks a deeper fear of abandonment. 
2. Healing isn’t about eliminating fear but learning to hold it.
3. Our protectors work hard to keep us safe, but self-leadership offers another way.

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