In this episode of the Heal Nourish Grow podcast, host Cheryl McColgan speaks with holistic nutritionist Meg Gage about her personal journey with acne and how it led her to help others. Meg discusses the multifaceted nature of acne, emphasizing the importance of mindset, gut health, and customized skincare approaches. She shares insights on how stress and limiting beliefs can impact skin health and offers practical tips for listeners to start their healing journey. The conversation highlights the need for a holistic approach to acne treatment, integrating mental, physical, and emotional well-being.

Connect with Meg to learn more at her website.

Takeaways

Everyone has the potential to heal acne, regardless of their past experiences.

Mindset is crucial in the healing process; negative beliefs can exacerbate skin issues.

The body communicates through symptoms, and understanding this can aid healing.

Gut health plays a significant role in skin conditions like acne.

Customized skincare is essential for effective acne treatment.

Stress management is vital for overall health and skin clarity.

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Episode Transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:01)Hello everyone, welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow podcast. Today I am joined by Meg Gage. I hope I got that right, it's spelled a little differently. And she has a really interesting health history. She's a holistic nutritionist. She specializes actually in acne, I guess, prevention and treatment. And as you can see by her skin, I mean, it looks amazing here if you're watching on video. So if you can't see it, maybe pop over to YouTube.

Meg (00:08)You did.

Cheryl McColgan (00:30)But it wasn't always this way Meg, right? So I'd love it if you could just start by sharing a little bit of your history, your health journey, and then we'll eventually get into how you came to figure out like how to get rid of acne. So welcome.

Meg (00:45)Thank you. Yeah, it's quite the journey. feel anyone who becomes a healer always has quite their own story as to how they got there. But yeah, ever since I was five, I just dealt with multiple traumas and that kind of stress of living in prolonged kind of fight flight breathe since I was little showed up very physically for me in a lot of symptoms, one of which was long standing acne.

since I was 12 and others were chronic pain, chronic fatigue, a lot of misdiagnosed disease of like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome. All the while at that point when I was 12 being put on hormonal birth control without any kind of questions asked, that's just what we did back in those days. So, you without having many cycles of my own, I was just put on these synthetic hormones as well.

And kind of throughout dealing with major health issues over the years and a couple of car accidents and whiplash and PTSD and concussions, my acne was always such a consistent thing in the background. And when I came off hormonal birth control without any prep work or understanding that after a decade, this might have crazy impacts on my hormones when they try to kind of rebalance themselves, my acne exploded into very cystic hormonal

me all over my face, all over my back, all over my bum, very painful. And it really just started my quest in kind of the natural healing world. And for the next five years, I tried everything from, you know, naturopaths to nutritionists to Chinese medicine practitioners to herbalists to acupuncture, all in a quest kind of to heal my skin and nothing worked.

And it was a very frustrating journey. I was spending upwards of $30,000 on this. It felt like a full-time job, distress when you're kind of putting 100 % of your effort into healing something for it not to work. And then just seeing so many practitioners that were telling you so many, so many varying things. And I just…

got to a point where I was like, need to do this myself. I need to listen to my own intuition. I need to take my power back. I feel like everyone's just pulling me in 50 different directions and taking my money. So that's when I became a holistic nutritionist and my mind was just blown. Once I actually learned about the body and how much could be impacting my skin, it just basically led me to my own healing journey of multiple root causes that I had lived with for my entire life.

And Geklo was kind of born very organically after that once I graduated because I was like, my gosh, if I can do this for myself, I want to do this for others and never have them go through what I went through. And also just becoming the practitioner I wanted throughout that journey, which was a really hard thing to find anyone who had been through debilitating acne or health issues and had that like understanding and validation component of what's needed out of a practitioner at that time.

So yeah, I've been doing it nine years now and helped over 2,500 clients.

Cheryl McColgan (04:00)That's amazing. you know, I'm sure a lot of people can really relate to this story, because especially people that are in their teens and then into their early 20s, a lot of people really struggle with acne. you know, there's so many, there's so many things out there that people think are the reason and, you know, nutrition, think is certainly part of it. But, you know, as you know, and as you've come to find out, that's not the whole story. So when you were originally being put on

hormonal birth control, which I think is really common and really unfortunate because it can have a lot of long term impacts on your future fertility and things like that. So I think people should really be digging into that further. And a lot of practitioners that's still kind of their go to today. But after the hormonal birth control, were there any things where you thought, you know, that was helping a little or that seemed promising initially to you and then didn't end up panning out?

Were there any of those things in there that did turn out to be a piece of the puzzle once you finally got it figured out?

Meg (05:02)But the issue always is when you're taking an either or approach, it never works, right? And that's what was happening. So, okay, fine. I was seeing an atropath who was running Dutch tests and, obviously my results were coming back with cortisol and very, very common indications of living in fight flight breeze. So sure, that's an answer. But if you're giving a very stressed out person a million supplements that are super expensive and not getting to the root of the stress, and then

I'm going, they're telling me nothing about skincare or they're not doing anything from a support perspective. Of course it's not going to work. Right? So by the same token, you're seeing an aesthetician, people always go right to skincare, right? When they're breaking out and they go see an aesthetician and they do chemical peels and lasers and all that. I was doing that on and off too. But again, there was no communication.

between the three modalities that I now do and have an understanding of the three things you need. You need mindset, you need rewiring of all the negative belief patterns, limiting beliefs, fears, to get yourself out of fight, flight, freeze and get your cortisol regulated. You need proper skincare, yes. And then you also need the internal root cause of like, what is your body trying to communicate with you? So without those, it just wasn't a complete picture. So you would never really know what was working or not because you didn't have all the pieces.

Do you know what mean? Like it just, never worked. So to me, it's like, in either approach is just wasting a lot of money for someone with acne because those protocols are extremely expensive. But if you don't have all three, you're going to think it's not working, right?

Cheryl McColgan (06:40)So it sounds like from what you're saying, I mean, it's a multifactorial problem that we're dealing with here, usually with acne. But would you say that the first thing, you mentioned mindset and you mentioned getting yourself out of stress. Would that be, for example, maybe one of the first things that you would address when you start working with somebody? Because I think stress affects so many things, not just acne, of course, but so many health problems, seems like, even if it didn't clear your acne, that'd be an amazing place to start. So could you talk a little bit more

about that and how you start to help people get out of that fight flight mode.

Meg (07:15)The root of the root of the root of everything for acne is your mindset. Like I stand by that 100%. It is always where I start with people because if you are telling yourself, I'll always have acne, nothing works for me, that's a script you're printing out and your body's gonna be like, okay, I'm gonna have more acne. I'm gonna get stuck in this state. So until we actually rewire that kind of subconscious pattern that people are having and you make your body feel

safe to heal. I don't care how perfect your diet is. I don't care how many supplements you're taking. I don't care how many expensive tests you're doing. It doesn't matter if you don't have that piece under control. And this is where I see people running into these walls, why they have these 10, 20-year acne journeys. And they say to me, without doubt, the number one thing on application is, well, I've tried it all. And I'm like, you haven't tried it all. There's something missing or else you'd be clear, right?

Right there is a limiting belief keeping you stuck in still and in this acne journey. Right? So the number one thing I do is a lot of subconscious reprogramming, eradicating the root of that fear, limiting belief, and really ensuring that your body can regulate on its own and not produce constant cortisol, which then it's going to impact things like blood sugar and sex hormones and your gut and your liver.

In this conversation, Cheryl McColgan shares her journey of preparing for a NPC Fit Model bodybuilding competition at the age of 52. This episode is in vlog format and best viewed on YouTube although it's still being released as an audio podcast. She discusses her training regimen, nutritional strategies, and the mental challenges she faces throughout the process.

Cheryl emphasizes the importance of protein intake, understanding ketosis, and the role of supplements in her routine. She also reflects on her daily activities, meal preparations, and the significance of maintaining a healthy body fat percentage while training for the fit model competition.

Takeaways

Challenging oneself can lead to personal growth.

Nutrition plays a crucial role in competition prep.

Understanding individual carbohydrate needs is essential.

Daily routines can help manage energy levels during prep.

Supplementation can enhance performance and recovery.

Protein intake should be prioritized for muscle synthesis.

Meal prep can simplify tracking macros.

Finding enjoyable foods can make dieting easier.

Maintaining a healthy body fat percentage is important for women.

It's important to listen to your body during training.

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Episode Transcript

New NPC Fit Model Division

Cheryl McColgan (00:00.504)So I'm back a little later in the day here getting ready to make my dinner, but I realized when I started editing the video that I did not really set this up very well. So I wanna put this at the beginning. I am sharing with you a day in what I've been doing for the last almost 10 weeks now. And that is training, eating, losing fat for possibly competing in the fit model category in the NPC.

When I thought about this in the, well first of all, thinking about doing this at age 52 is quite daunting, never having been stepped on stage before in a bodybuilding competition. But if you wanna learn more about that thought process, I have another podcast that I did on that and I'll link that down below. But basically, I'm still not 100 % certain that I'm.

to do it, but I've been training, eating, doing fat loss for last 10 weeks as if I am definitely going to do it. So it's just a little scary and that's the only reason I'm thinking about not doing it. I think it'll be fun in a lot of ways. I think it would be a great experience and I'm all about

challenging myself and putting myself out of my comfort zone. So that's why I started it. anyway, so this is kind of just my day, how I've been training, how I've been eating, bio hacks that I do, supplements that I use, all that kind of good stuff that will all be here in the video.

Yeah, I don't normally do vlogs, so this is totally new format for me, but hopefully you'll find it helpful or somewhat entertaining or maybe while you're trying to get through your cardio, you'll be watching this video, which is how I've been getting through a lot of my things that I've been doing over the last several weeks, listening to podcasts, watching videos, watching other people talk about their preps and things like that.

Cheryl McColgan (01:55.946)So without further ado, let's move on to my day. Hey everyone, good morning. This is going to be a totally different kind of video for me. I've never done one of these before, but I thought I would take you through a day in the life of prep. So you can see a little bit what it's more about, get some of my feelings on it. Yesterday was a particularly difficult day. So we made it through, woke up this morning. Actually, the first thing I do in the morning that I did not video is get on the scale because that's what you do

you're tracking and I…

this morning, so despite yesterday being an awful day, we did have progress, at least in the sense of what the goal is right now, is moving that body fat down. So now, I'm just going to make some coffee, do some fasting cardio, which by the way, there's still no great evidence that that's that much better, but I have been doing that right now just to go ahead and push my first meal off a little bit, because when you're in a cow

deficit especially for this long it gets to be quite monotonous a little challenging so the later I can eat that first meal the better so but first coffee and I do a pour over every morning so I'll show you that. So here is my little coffee setup I've got I this is the Breville it's actually a tea maker which I've had this for I don't know 15 years now or something I'm obsessed with it it has a basket that goes in here to make the tea that actually

the handle in there like brings it up and down so that it puts it into the water and you can change the temperature for the different types of teas. You can see all the different ones. I just put it on custom to heat water. anyway, when it makes the tea, it heats it at the proper temperature. So if you have black tea is a different temperature than green tea. And then when it's done brewing the handle here, it brings the basket back up so that it doesn't steep too long. But anyway, delicious tea. But in the morning I use it to heat up the water for

Cheryl McColgan (03:57.072)I have my burger grinder and then I have the pour-over so that's what's coming next.

Cheryl McColgan (04:13.646)So ideally you'd be taking more creatine just before a workout and I do have a lift today but I find that sometimes I forget doing it pre-workout so I like to just do it in the morning first thing. Also, I'm very interested in creatine for its cognitive benefits other than just muscle building. So for me, I feel like just getting it during the day is more important than the exact timing so I'll often just take it.

Right here in the morning just so I get it in and then I occasionally will also Right now my protocol is to take it before and after this so I will take it after for some reason I don't have as much trouble remembering that but then I also put a little Taurine and hyaluronic acid in my coffee in the morning I haven't been doing the collagen just because of extra calories, which you do have to be a little bit concerned about while you're on a calorie

because it is getting plenty of protein right now, so I'm not doing that at the moment.

Okay, before coffee, just thought I'd share this with you because if you came to this channel for its original content, you may have been here because you wanted to try keto or had curiosity about the keto diet or being in ketosis. And so what I wanted to share is since I've been training more and doing this contest prep, I've actually been eating 100 carbs a day, which has been very different than what I've done in the past. But what I want to show you about that is that

truly being in ketosis if that's your goal or

Cheryl McColgan (05:49.44)eating what amount of carbs will allow you to get in that metabolic state is really different for everyone depending on your activity level and a variety of other factors. How long you've been doing it, that kind of thing, how easily your body goes in and out of ketosis if that's truly your goal. So I just want to show you I have my ketone meter here and I thought we would check this this morning so that I can show you what that's like now that I am in fact eating more carbs and for some people that want to have the benefits of ketosis but like having more carbs or miss their

This can be really useful information for you. So this will just be a really quick thing. Get the strip out here and put it into the meter and then we'll go ahead and test it this morning.

meter and putting in the strip and breaking the feeder. I done this in quite a while but you know I always test I used to test all these things quite a lot so I have all of them so let's go ahead and get this in here. So it takes a countdown of 10 to get the number and like I said I had about

yesterday. I'm waking up fast this morning.

and my ketone is reading at 0.9, which is a very therapeutic level of ketosis, despite the fact of eating plenty of carbs. Anyway, this is just a point of data to share with you. And then I've also been using my lumen. I test a lot of these things for my job, obviously. So I have the lumen. I've been using it occasionally. I actually used it the last three mornings, again, just out of curiosity. And what this tool does is it allows you, if you are a person that wants to check on your metabolic health, but be more flexible with the amount

Cheryl McColgan (07:34.547)of carbs you have, actually directs you on a day-to-day basis of if you're in fat burning mode, so kind of waking up in ketosis or not, and then how many carbs and different macronutrients you should plan for the rest of the day, depending on your goals. And so I've used that the last three mornings. It's come up with fat burning every single morning. And it's just an interesting tool again, especially if you're looking for more flexibility in your diet. And like I said, I test some of these for my job, so it's just kind of a curious thing for me. But definitely it'd be…

You know, being in ketosis despite eating a fair amount of carbs is definitely interesting information for a lot of people, especially way back in the day of keto. People were like, you know, if you had one little thing off, they were just thought ruined it and you'd have the keto police to come after you. It was quite a funny thing. But anyway, just for some extra information for you there.

So I'm definitely not used to a vlog format. We'll see how this goes. But anyway, I came outside to enjoy my coffee before I go for my walk. It is rained last night. It's about to rain again all day, but I have a break this morning so I can get that in. But I'm just going to enjoy this out here with the birds chirping for a few minutes and then we'll get on the road for the cardio.

Cheryl McColgan (08:51.633)workout outfit ever.

In this episode, Cheryl McColgan shares her personal journey in health and wellness, focusing on the importance of muscle mass, protein intake, and the development of consistent habits. She discusses her experience with weightlifting, the potential of competitive bodybuilding, and the role of coaching in achieving fitness goals. Cheryl also addresses the challenges of fat loss and the daily commitment required to maintain a healthy lifestyle, emphasizing that it's never too late to start lifting and pursue personal goals.

Episode mentioned: Motivation is Overrated: How to Crush Your Goals Without It

Takeaways

Every meal is an opportunity to stimulate muscle growth.

Optimal protein intake is crucial for muscle maintenance.

Building habits is more important than motivation.

It's never too late to start lifting weights.

Diet fatigue can impact your commitment to goals.

Having a coach can provide accountability and guidance.

Setting specific goals helps maintain focus in fitness.

Muscle mass is vital for longevity and quality of life.

Transitioning to a new gym can reinvigorate your fitness journey.

Daily commitment is key to achieving health and wellness goals.

Episode transcript:

Cheryl McColgan (00:01.806)Hey everyone, welcome to the Heal Nourish Row podcast. I am Cheryl McColgan, your host and founder of Heal Nourish Row. And my apologies for showing up on here looking a bit disheveled, but I just finished my basement workout. And so while this is on my mind, I thought I would get this recorded for you. So it's something I've been wanting to share for a little while. And I actually started to record it yesterday, but it was such a weird day. I had gotten some crazy news and

It was just, I was not in good head space. So thought I'd revisit it today and try to put together my thoughts for you a little bit more coherently. But anyway, just in case you haven't listened to previous episodes, I will give you some background here. So, you know, the whole channel and the whole podcast is focused on health and wellness, and that's probably how you found it if you're listening to this. But pretty much my whole life I've been involved in health and wellness in some way.

And over the years I have dabbled in lifting kind of on and off, but I've never gotten to stick until the last couple years here. I finally I'm over 50 now and I'm like, well, this whole push in social media and in education for older people about maintaining their muscle mass and how it really relates to longevity and just overall.

you know, however long you are going to live, living your life well, because you can function on your own when you have muscle. And it's really an epidemic right now of sarcopenia, which is the lack of muscle mass as you get older, as well as obesity and many other things, but a lot of things that are just really preventing people from living well into their older years. And so having seen, you know,

various people over my life and having been blessed with still being healthy at this point after watching my dad battle cancer and things like that. I'm like, owe it to myself to really take this on and finally commit to maintaining my muscle. So that is what I've been working on the last several years. And it started with really just

Cheryl McColgan (02:10.913)getting optimal protein and making that a big focus. And so if you've followed my content for a while, I've been talking about that just in case you have not heard this before. I want to make sure I put this out there. Every meal that you eat is an opportunity to stimulate muscle protein synthesis, which is the process by which your body maintains and builds muscle mass. And in order to stimulate that, you need about 30 grams at least of protein at each meal.

is that will include about three grams of leucine, which is thought to be the amino acid that really stimulates muscle building. And then as you get older, your body does not process protein as well. So you actually need a little bit more protein to stimulate that process. really as anyone over 35 to 40 years old, you should really be shooting for 35 to 40 grams of protein.

in each and every meal. Each time you eat protein, it's really an opportunity to stimulate that, so don't miss out. So that being said about protein, I really started getting onto that for myself about five years ago and really worked to get the optimal protein because I had been following some people and listening to people that even if you're not lifting weights, that getting optimal protein really can help this process of maintaining your muscle and possibly even building some, depending on how long.

your body has maybe been without protein. So for example, I had a period in my life of about eight years where I was a vegetarian, which was probably a huge mistake. But during that time, I'm sure I was not getting enough protein. And so if you've had a period of your life where you haven't been getting enough, then you might take some more time in building up this process of finally getting more optimal protein.

and your body will be like, I finally have the building blocks and maybe replace some of that muscle. So there's a thought there, but really the best way to stimulate muscle is to lift heavy things. And like I said, it's something I have dabbled with over the years on and off. I actually, when I was playing eighth grade basketball, we had a weight stack thing in my garage at home that my dad had always used. And when I was doing basketball, I lifted. And then when I played college golf, I was lifting and…

Cheryl McColgan (04:24.535)at various points over the years. I remember even the pandemic, was still when the gyms were open, I was going to Planet Fitness then. And what happened, like always happened, was at some point I'd get injured. And then instead of keep on lifting and doing what I could do, I would just quit it. And I've always been, you know, hiking, walking, running. I was a runner for 17 years. So I've always been very active, but I've just never enjoyed being at the gym. I always would rather be outside or hiking or doing something like that or playing golf.

And so that's kind of what I always relied on. But now that I, again, like I said, it's such a priority now and it's something that you have to be focused on if you don't want to lose your muscle. And so about, it's been about a year and nine months ago now that this is April of 2025, that I started going to the gym and really committed and I really have not missed anything since then. I've been very consistent. That is one of my…

gifts and as you know if you've listened to my previous content one of the things that I really focus on is creating new habits and once I personally get a habit kind of ingrained in me it's it's really then very easy for me to maintain it and that is one reason I always put out all these tips and information about creating habits because really you will and there's a whole another podcast episode I'll link it in the comments if I can remember that but

about discipline over motivation or just habits over motivation. You won't always be motivated to work out or to do these things. So it's really a matter of just making it become something that you do that's integrated into your life. That's a habit that you just do like brushing your teeth. You don't skip it. So it's not that I'm always motivated. And that's actually why today was a great day to get on here and talk about this, because I am so

tired friends. I really just, I did not sleep well last night. I had so many wake ups. Like if I look at my aura thing, it's like so many white spots where I was awake throughout the night. And I really just did not have the energy to do my workout today, but I did it anyway. So, so that's the thing about being a habit is it just becomes something that you do. And so it was a struggle to get through it. It's, not as fun when you have days like that and you go to do your workout.

Cheryl McColgan (06:46.607)But it's done, now it's finished. And then I hopped right on here. So that's why I'm looking a little disheveled, as I mentioned. But the thing I wanted to talk about is I've been kind of keeping this from, I haven't been talking about it anywhere outside of my own house. And it's something that has to do with being a competitive person. So I mentioned that I played college golf and I played sports in high school and I was a runner for 17 years.

So the point to all of that is to say that I've always had something that I was very competitive in and that I did as kind of a thing that kept me accountable. You even when I was a runner, I was never very fast or anything like that, but I would register for races and I would train for them and it would give me something to focus on. So sometimes if it was a 5K, maybe I'd be working on getting faster, doing some interval training, that sort of thing. Or if I was running a half marathon or a marathon, would…

be training to work on building up my distance and increasing my mileage over the week. So there was always something to focus on. Same, you know, with golf, always trying to get better, practicing, preparing for a tournament, that sort of thing. And since I had to quit running because of my knees, I haven't had that now for many, many years. And since I got back into this, into weightlifting, it started making me think about

you know, having something like that with lifting. And the thing that is the only thing, there's two things actually with lifting. You can do power lifting, which I don't think I would be very good at that, number one, just because with my previous shoulder surgeries, you know, one of the power lifting exercises is the bench press, and that would be very stressful on my shoulders. So I don't think that's the best idea. And then it's bench press, deadlift, and…

my goodness, squat,

In this episode, host Cheryl McColgan interviews mental health professional Celeste Rains-Turk. She specializes in helping individuals improve their relationship with food and body image. Celeste shares her personal journey of overcoming disordered eating and how it inspired her to help others.

The conversation delves into the complexities of disordered eating, the impact of body positivity movements, and the importance of mindfulness in achieving a healthy relationship with food. Celeste emphasizes the need for a balanced approach to health and fitness, advocating for self-love while also recognizing the importance of caring for one's body.

The episode concludes with practical strategies for changing food associations and fostering a healthier mindset around eating. Celeste shares insights on diet breaks, the impact of choices on long-term health, and offers resources for improving food relationships, including coaching programs and an upcoming wellness retreat.

Connect with Celeste and learn more about the upcoming retreat at celestial.fit and follow her on Instagram.

Takeaways

Many individuals struggle with their relationship with food and body image.

Disordered eating can often go undiagnosed due to its complex nature.

Mindfulness can significantly improve self-esteem and body image.

The body positivity movement has both positive and negative implications.

It's essential to focus on health and longevity rather than just aesthetics.

Self-love should not lead to self-destructive behaviors.

A balanced approach to nutrition is key for long-term health. Understanding food relationships is crucial for emotional well-being.

The cycle of restriction and bingeing can be interrupted by trust in oneself.

The power of choice allows for healthier eating habits without guilt.

Diet breaks can provide mental relief and improve long-term results.

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Episode Transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:00.494)Hi everyone. Welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow podcast. Today I am joined by the lovely and very smiley Celeste Rains-Turk and I am really excited to chat with her today because she is a mental health professional. She specifically deals a lot with helping people with their relationship with food, has so many free resources for that and so many programs. And in addition to that, she is a prolific podcaster and I've basically been pod-stalking her for the last two or three months.

Celeste Rains-Turk (00:07.45)You

Cheryl McColgan (00:30.294)I know a lot about Celeste, but now I'm going to share that with you guys, because I just think she is a really amazing source of information and really a light in the world of health and fitness. So Celeste, all that being said, welcome to the show. And could you just share with people a little bit about yourself? How did you become attracted to this mental health work and what lights you up about doing this kind of work?

Celeste Rains-Turk (00:53.403)Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I like your vocabulary usage. It's great. So what I'll start with what lights me up about this work because I think that lends insight into what got me into it. So what lights me up most about the work that I do is seeing people achieve something they didn't think was possible. So a lot of the people that I work with, they come to me almost on a last hope, a last resort.

thinking is there any way I can actually heal my relationship with food and my body without sacrificing my fitness and physique goals? Because so many of them have been told by fitness professionals or mental health professionals that they cannot do both and I want them to know that they can. So it is incredibly rewarding for me to see them actually achieve that goal. That is amazing because they don't expect to do that. Now, as far as what got me into it was I personally

Cheryl McColgan (01:32.974)been pulled by.

Cheryl McColgan (01:37.998)you

Cheryl McColgan (01:43.982)That is amazing because they don't expect to do that.

get to it was my first day of school in 2015 and prior to that I struggled with my relationship with food.

Celeste Rains-Turk (01:52.923)started competing in 2015. And prior to that, I had struggled with my relationship with food and my body image. A lot of disordered eating pathways for me where I would force myself to work out after anything that I ate. I would restrict heavily if I ate off off plan. I would have like a free meal or cheat meal, but that was really more like a cheat day. And I would literally wake up from

Cheryl McColgan (02:02.426)or needing pathways for me where I would force myself to work out after anything that I hate. I would restrict heavily if I hate office.

of free meal or cheap meal, but that was really more like a cheap day and I went to the grocery store.

Celeste Rains-Turk (02:22.647)I would wake up at midnight just to eat until the midnight the next day. Like it was my all out binge fast. And I feel awful the next day to the point where I'd be doing things like drainage massages and then restricting food and trying to drink as much water as I couldn't. My skin would feel like it was bruised. So I had seriously struggled with binge eating and

Cheryl McColgan (02:24.686)just to eat until the midnight the next day like it was an all out binge fast. And I feel like on a diet where I'd be doing things like a drainage massage with my hands and then just drinking food and trying to drink as much water as I could and my skin would feel like it was bruised. So I had so much period from binge eating and arguing with pulling the other roast up because I engaged in compensatory behaviors.

Celeste Rains-Turk (02:48.121)You could argue, believe me, a nervosa because I engaged in compensatory behaviors. And when I started the podcast in 2018, Confessions of a Bikini Pro, and I started talking to bikini competitors, I realized, my gosh, my message of build more than just a body is for bodybuilders. Why am I not serving this niche? And I launched my first program, which was a post-show blues program. I still have it. And I remember I got two people signed up and I was like, that's it.

Cheryl McColgan (03:08.8)And I.

Cheryl McColgan (03:13.806)that we're out to people's like, that's it.

Celeste Rains-Turk (03:16.091)I'm gonna do it, it's gonna be successful. Now granted, I had been running a business at that point three years as an online fitness coach, but I was so fascinated by the mindset behind things that I changed my degree from dietetics to psychology. And then in working on building my own psychology up and then having the podcast, I'm like, there's so much more here that I can do that I'm not doing. And in 2018, I graduated with my bachelor's in psychology.

Cheryl McColgan (03:21.422)I've graduate three years as an online fitness coach, but I'm so excited to try the mindset behind things that I changed my degree from dietetics to psychology and then working on building my own psychology after this. There's so much more here that I do that I'm not doing and it's disgusting that I graduated from a bachelor's in psychology. So I decided let's apply this.

Celeste Rains-Turk (03:45.371)So I decided let's apply this because I put so much of my research efforts and so much of the work that I did in school to these concepts. And I started serving people in this niche and it really just took off. And I'm really glad that it did because now I've helped competitors globally to achieve a relationship with food that they're happy with without actually giving up their competition goals. Or for those of them who did give up competing,

Cheryl McColgan (03:50.23)I did.

And I started serving people at this stage and it really just took off and I'm really glad that it did because now I've helped competitors locally to achieve the relationships that they're happy with without actually giving up their competition goals. most important thing about competing is that it was huge real change because they were forced to or felt that they had to because they were fighting at least with letting that go. So, that's it.

Celeste Rains-Turk (04:11.707)It was because they chose to not because they were forced to or felt that they had to it was because they were finally at peace with letting that go. So that's the that's the kind of stuff that lights me up and that's what got me there really.

Cheryl McColgan (04:24.174)Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your personal background, number one, because I think I quite often when I talk to people on here, I find most of the people that got into a certain kind of work has to do with some personal either struggle or passion that they had. And so that matches really well with what everything that you just said. And then the second thing that people might be thinking about listening to this interview, they're maybe like, well, why are you talking to somebody that just works with competitors, you know, or bikini pros?

And it's because I think the information that you have, like you mentioned your struggle when you were a young woman in high school and going into college, and that is not uncommon. I experienced it. I know others that have experienced it. To whatever degree it is, whether it's a full-blown eating disorder or just body dysmorphia, and I say quote unquote, just body dysmorphia, but that is a very serious struggle as well for a lot of people.

I think the fact that you've primarily worked with competing bikini competitors isn't your scope of knowledge because obviously this really applies to everyone. So I was so happy when you agreed to come on the show because I know it's not exactly specifically competitor related. But I also have a little bit of a personal interest in that. anyway, all that being said, let's just chat about a little bit just so people understand where you're coming from.

In this episode of the Heal Nourish Grow podcast, Dr. Chris Rhodes, a nutrition scientist, discusses his journey into the fields of longevity and fasting. He explains the significance of autophagy and shares his personal experiences with fasting.

Dr. Rhodes also introduces Mimio, a product designed to mimic the benefits of fasting at the molecular level, and discusses the clinical studies that support its efficacy. The conversation delves into the science behind Mimeo's ingredients and their roles in promoting healthspan and longevity.

Visit Mimio to learn more and get an awesome discount!

Takeaways

Fasting can activate longevity bio programs within our cells.

Autophagy is a crucial process for cellular health and longevity.

GLP-1 drugs like Ozembic may positively impact longevity pathways.

Mimeo is designed to mimic the benefits of fasting without actual fasting.

Clinical studies show Mimeo can improve metabolic health markers.

The formulation of Mimeo includes powerful anti-aging molecules.

Nicotinamide plays a key role in cellular energy and metabolism.

Using Mimeo can enhance the benefits of shorter fasting periods.

Maintaining a balance between mTOR activation and fasting pathways is essential for health.

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Episode transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:00.834)Hey everyone. Welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow Podcast. I don't even know the name of my own podcast. It's loving my words today. But anyway, I'm really excited about today's guest. I'm here with Dr. Chris Rhodes and he is a nutrition scientist. I'll let him better describe himself, but you will have heard his full bio, of course, before this, but I always like to start out, Dr. Rhodes, with just having you kind of share in your own words, what brought you into this space? What made you passionate about

working with Mimeo Health and the technology there. Like what led you to this point?

Dr. Chris Rhodes (00:32.962)Yeah, great question. Really happy to be here, Cheryl. Thanks for having me on.

really got me interested into the longevity space, the healthy aging space, and eventually the fasting space was coming out of college. I got my BS in biochemistry from Leroy LaMaria Mount University, but like a lot of college kids didn't really know what I wanted to do there. So to try and figure that out, took an immunology fellowship at Stanford, just kind of pouring through all the research I could get my hands on going to all these seminars, and eventually came across the longevity research.

And I thought that was so fascinating because it was this thing that used to be relegated to myth and legend, right? It was like Ponce de Leon and the Fountain of Youth. And now it's this very active, very rigorous area of scientific research with a ton of funding and a ton of companies and a ton of government and scientific attention on it. And it's one of those things that helps with everything, right? If you can solve aging, then you can pretty much

also solve disease because by and large, most young folks don't get disease. really see that aging is something that's an underlying factor in every disease that happens. So if you can tackle these fundamental issues of aging at the cellular level and really slow that process down, then you can not only potentially enhance lifespan but also healthspan at the same time, which I think is what we're all really going for, living our lives as well as possible and as best health as possible for as long

long as we can. When you're in the healthy aging and longevity space, eventually you come across fasting because fasting is one of the only ways that we know of to reliably extend lifespan and health span helps to treat, prevent, or delay most major diseases. And the reason why that was so fascinating to me is because it does all of that without actually adding anything into the system, right? So it's not this superfood or this wonder drug that's doing all the work, but somehow fasting is

Dr. Chris Rhodes (02:36.742)activating these dormant longevity bio programs that we already have inside of us at the cellular level, but just aren't being activated on a daily basis, just aren't turned on. And when that clicked for me, it actually made me mad because I was like, great, my body knows how to live to be 120 years old and in perfect health, but it's just not doing it. And that's what kind of catapulted me into the fasting research space. And what I was

doing for my PhD, which eventually became Mimeo.

Cheryl McColgan (03:11.586)That's a great background. Before we get into some of the science behind it and some of those other things, what's going through my mind is knowing the timing from your bio and knowing a little bit about when you were in school. I would imagine that you probably had to be making some of these decisions about this when the Nobel Prize for autophagy was awarded. I believe that was 2016. That's actually when I first ran across it. I had just found out that my dad had cancer.

And I started digging around and doing all this research and came across that, you know, the fact that this had been awarded the Nobel Prize and then just started reading more about autophagy and got, went down this whole rabbit hole. But I would love it if you could share with people from a more scientific perspective, you know, autophagy kind of means self-eating. And I think most people at this point have heard that term before. But if you can maybe describe some of the mechanisms there and

just to give people background before we kind of launch into the tech.

Dr. Chris Rhodes (04:09.56)Yeah, yeah, absolutely. yeah, autophagy does mean self-eating. And what that's actually referring to is essentially our cellular cleanup and recycling mechanisms. So cells initiate autophagy, which is this process of these little what it's called autophagosomes, these little tiny lysosome encapsulation particle things that go around and they'll selectively absorb and digest and break down into their component parts.

these dysfunctional proteins, dysfunctional organelles, what I like to call cell junk. They'll take that up, they'll break it down, and then once it's in, it's like considerate of parts, it's amino acids, it's carbohydrates, it's fats, it's lipids. Then your cells will take all of that and then utilize it to create new functional organelles and new proteins. So it is this process of breaking down the damaged elements of a cell and then recycling them into

new nutrients into new energy sources into new organelles and proteins. So you kind of have a refreshed new cell on the inside anyway. So that's kind of the process of autophagy at the cellular level. What that usually ends up meaning for an organismal level is that when you have enhanced autophagy, you typically have extended lifespan and health span as well. Because if you think about it from that context of a cell is constantly cleaning itself up, it's recycling.

its parts, it's got a lot of metabolic efficiency that's happening, then that allows them to function better and then that leads to overall organismal health, which then of course leads to overall organismal longevity.

Cheryl McColgan (05:53.996)Yeah, and I think originally, of course, like most research starts, usually starts in rodents or rats, is not always totally transferable to humans. But at the time when I was digging into it, there were definitely some human studies at that point. Since this is kind of what is in your day to day, I would love to hear kind of any new things that are going on in this space as far as longevity as it relates to fasting and…

Dr. Chris Rhodes (05:58.798)course,

Cheryl McColgan (06:19.022)I think I'm one of the previous interviews I heard with you, I think you were actually describing a study that you guys were doing on people to kind of test out some of these theories. But anyway, just anything new and exciting in the research world that you're seeing that kind of is informing what you're doing now with your research.

Dr. Chris Rhodes (06:38.124)Yeah, it's not necessarily informing what we do now with our research, although it kind of is because it's unavoidable, right? But like the really big thing that's happening in the health and longevity space right now is kind of how Ozembic is impacting everything and like the other GLP-1 drugs and agonists, right? Because yes, they have great effects on weight loss, but when you're tackling things from a metabolic perspective, metabolism and longevity are super duper linked together, right? Usually when you're looking at the cellular

pathways that impact longevity, they are also very much related to metabolism. Whether that's mTOR, which is like, you know, pro-growth, pro-protein kind of pathway that leads to decreased lifespan and these pro-aging effects versus like AMP kinase, which is really, really associated with anti-aging properties, but is also kind of like your body's lipid pathway.

modifier, you get to see how Ozembic is impacting not only the weight loss portion of it, but because it's impacting things at the metabolic level, then you also see, all right, there's a lot of reduced disease incidence. There's a lot of reduced disease risk because we're tackling this cellular metabolic processing that is intimately connected with the healthy aging and longevity pathways.

Cheryl McColgan (08:05.102)Yeah, that's pretty exciting. And I think obviously as time goes on and more and more people are using it, there'll certainly have to be more research around that. And I know that there's even new like second gen GLP ones that are being worked on. and so you're saying if I'm understanding correctly that those are having a positive effect on longevity pathways.

Dr. Chris Rhodes (08:26.82)Correct. So the reason why it was, and it could be, you know,

In this episode, Cheryl McColgan interviews Vitalijus, co-founder of Pulsetto, discussing the importance of sleep, stress resilience, and the role of the vagus nerve in health optimization. Vitalijus shares his personal journey into biohacking, including a 200-night sleep experiment that revealed key insights into improving sleep quality. The conversation delves into the science behind stress resilience, the vagus nerve's function, and how devices like Pulsetto can aid in relaxation and recovery. Vitalijus emphasizes the significance of personal experimentation in health and the growing importance of mental health in today's world.

Read more about Pulsetto and purchase with our 15% off discount here or use code HEALNOURISHGROW15.

Takeaways

Vitalijus conducted a 200-night sleep experiment to improve his sleep.

Key factors for better sleep include darkness, temperature, and minimizing disturbances.

Stress is a major factor affecting sleep quality and melatonin production.

The vagus nerve plays a crucial role in connecting the brain to internal organs.

HRV (Heart Rate Variability) is a key metric for measuring stress resilience.

Biohacking allows for personal experimentation to find what works best for individual health.

Mental health is increasingly important in managing stress and overall well-being.

Using devices like Pulsetto can help activate the vagus nerve for relaxation.

Athletes can benefit from vagus nerve stimulation for recovery and performance.

Small changes in sleep habits can lead to significant improvements over time.

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Episode transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:01.07)Hi everyone. Welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow podcast. Today I'm joined by Vitalius and I got the first name going pretty good. I'm not even going to attempt the last name, so I'll let him share that. And of course you will have heard it in the bio here prior to the recording. But welcome to the show today. We're going to talk about all things kind of Vegas nerve, what that even is, why it's relevant to you as a person out there listening to this. And Vitalius has a big interest in sleep and kind of a past with some

things where he was super into biohacking. this is really pretty interesting. So, Vitalius, all that being said, we start by you just sharing a little bit about yourself and your background in the biohacking? And I would love to really chat about that sleep experiment you did, because that was quite impressive what you did with that.

Vitalijus (00:45.603)Yeah, so before I created Pulsetto, am one of the co-founders of this company. I was working in corporate world and basically in the sleep industry. I was working in different countries, in different locations and I was responsible for sleep products.

So naturally, sleep topic was always somewhere near, you know, but you know, one day I decided to go deeper to this topic. I had some issues with sleep also. So it was like, I was working in sleep industry, but at the same time I was sleeping bad, you know, I was working like a crazy for 16 hours and etc. And then when I was 29, I got panic attacks and Xanax and it was terrible experience.

Cheryl McColgan (01:10.178)Yeah.

Vitalijus (01:34.605)that I remember that I said, okay, I need to change something. And the starting point was sleep, yeah, because I was near this field and topic and etc. So what I did basically at that moment, I just took around 70 factors, which has some kind of scientific

publications, know, and etc. 70 things. I will explain what those things mean. And I took those things I just listed. And then, you know, I started this kind of 100 night experiment, which means that I took one thing from those 70 lists. Yeah. And then three evenings in a row, I consume this thing. And I was imagining my aura at that moment, was like, what users

It was not like a scientific study, but you know I saw some trends and how it's affecting my trends and etc So the first thing what I tested it was kiwi as a fruit Don't ask me why but there are some scientific studies which show that if you will eat kiwi before sleep You will sleep better

Cheryl McColgan (02:22.83)It wasn't bad.

Vitalijus (02:39.855)Yeah, so I ate kiwi for three evenings in a row and I just wanted to understand is it really somehow improving my like sleep, friends and etc. So this was like a starting point. So this kind of things like a 70 things I tested during 200 nights basically. It was a lot of bullshit, sort of to say a lot of

To some point my wife in the beginning looked at me very crazy, for example because I turned the bulbs to the red light bulbs in the bedroom. Then I was surrounded by some specific flowers because there are some studies about some specific flowers that are cleaning the air etc. I was consuming

caffeine, three evenings in row, huge amount of caffeine. I just wanted to see how badly it's affecting my sleep. I was consuming alcohol for three nights in a row. I was doing a lot of supplements, a lot of food things, a lot of bedroom changes, a lot of body changes, know, and et cetera. So from those 70 things, some of them was really nonsense, but some of them was really big game changers, you know, and…

And after this experiment, I realized that, you know, how better I can sleep. You know, because before I thought that, you know, okay, my sleep is like normal, something like that, you know, I have some issues. In general, I am sleeping better. But only when I started to test, you know, myself and I saw what kind of changes can make a big difference, you know, then I realized that it's a big gap between normal and good. From good to great, you know.

And after those 200 nights, I really understand that you can improve your sleep very much and then it's completely affecting your productivity. It's completely affecting your energy levels, your sharper mind, etc. So this is how I went to biohacking. After sleep, was more topics. It was stress topics, was food topics, was physical activities. But sleep was the starting point of my journey to the biohacking.

Cheryl McColgan (04:45.166)I absolutely love that you did. That sounds like something I would do. I haven't done it yet, but that's very interesting. When you were doing the 200 nights of the different things and doing three nights in a row, was there any specific thing that you tried that you could see like on your aura ring that it had a really big impact on either your HRV or your REM or your deep sleep? What was the thing that you found that was like, of like, whoa, this might be the thing?

Vitalijus (05:08.059)So it was something like five big conclusions from my side. The first, I mean, let's start from that there are game changes and there are nice to have things. A very good example of this is that, for example, you can read on Google somewhere that, for example, you need to eat pistachios, yeah, as a nut, because in pistachios you can find melatonin and melatonin is good for the sleep and et cetera. But I calculated.

You need to eat 400 grams of Piscata, 400 grams, which is already seems impossible in order that you will accumulate around 25 % of melatonin. What you can do naturally. So for example, two hours before sleep to reduce the light.

Cheryl McColgan (05:38.766)Cheers.

Vitalijus (05:54.477)makes the bigger difference on melatonin than 400 grams of pistachios. So this was one of the first conclusions that there are game changers like those two hours before sleep to maintain the darkness and etc. And there are nice things like

I don't know, flowers, kiwi and etc. but they are not changing your sleep area. And basically I'm always saying to my friends or those people who are asking about sleep, so there are five things. First of all, the bedroom must be…

Good. So it means the darkness and the cooling effect is very important. Temperature around 18, 19 degrees and I saw a lot on my data. So whenever I dropped the temperature or whenever I was sleeping in the cooler room, know, automatically let's say the level of deep sleep was increasing, you know. The darkness of the bedroom is also very, very important. So if you have some kind of light coming from the outside, you need to, I mean…

to cover completely the first is bedroom the second is the disturbances you need to minimize the bad things or maybe you don't need to create new things but you just need to minimize bad things so one bad thing is the light very big game changer huge game changer even now for example in winter time with my wife we have tradition one day per week we are completely dark mode completely dark mode I mean

We have candles and then some kind of this real light, I mean, no lads, no nothing. Once per week, it's a perfect, perfect, let's say, day for the relaxation, for the switching off your mind completely and et cetera. So this is the one disturbance, caffeine and alcohol are two other disturbance. So you can reach a lot of improvement of sleep just…

Cheryl McColgan (07:27.342)that.

Vitalijus (07:46.587)Yes, cutting those disturbance just if you will do just this, know, it will be huge. The third point is is stress. Because it's a huge antagonist of melatonin, which means that if you have higher level of stress, the evening you will not produce enough melatonin and then you know, you will have issues with stress. So stress is huge topic. There are a bunch of ways to reduce the stress.

Cheryl McColgan (08:04.878)I don't want to stress.

Cheryl McColgan (08:12.354)without what makes a power.

Vitalijus (08:15.291)Baby-stir stimulation is one of the ways, you but it's not only one way, know, you have you can meditation, can breathe, can do cold showers, you can go to sauna, there are routines, know, what you can do. The fourth, you need to have routine. You're like a three, two, four things what you're doing before sleep.

In this episode, Dr. Lloyd Glauberman shares his journey into psychology and hypnotherapy, discussing the importance of sleep, the obesity epidemic, and introduces the concept of lifestyle intelligence. He emphasizes the need for tailored approaches to behavior change and the innovative tools available for personal development, including his app that combines storytelling and hypnosis.

Connect with Dr. Glauberman through his website and you can download his app on the Apple store with a free 30 day trial.

Watch on YouTube

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Takeaways

Hypnosis is a common state we experience daily, often without realizing it.

Sleep is crucial for cognitive function and emotional regulation.

The obesity epidemic is influenced by lifestyle choices and sleep deprivation.

Lifestyle intelligence is about understanding and improving our health behaviors.

Self-esteem has shifted from real-life interactions to social media validation.

Hypnosis can be effective when tailored to individual needs.

The brain cleans itself during sleep, highlighting its importance for health.

Healthy behavior skills should be integrated into early education.

Show Transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:01.038)Hi everyone, welcome to the Heal and Nourish Grow podcast. Today I am joined by Dr. Lloyd Globberman, but he has generously said that I should call him Lloyd during the show. but just so you know, he is a doctor. Of course you heard that in his official bio, but Lloyd, I'd really love if you could share with the audience now, just in your own words, what got you into this line of work and what got you interested in helping people with their health and wellness?

Lloyd Glauberman (00:25.712)I stumbled into the profession of psychology after I graduated from college. And at the time, in addition to being in college, I played drums in a rock and roll band. And like everybody else, I wanted to be a rock star. However, as the fact that we're talking right now just lets everybody know that never happened. So I had to figure out something else. And it was during that time when Vietnam War was still in.

Cheryl McColgan (00:39.82)Of course!

Cheryl McColgan (00:46.606)you

Lloyd Glauberman (00:55.322)in play and the only way to avoid being involved with that in an appropriate fashion was to work for the government in the health professions in some kind of way. And I stumbled across a job at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center, which was a psychiatric facility for residents of Harvard. So it was an up-tempo, really smart bunch of folks kind of thing. And so I walked in, off the street,

went upstairs to the person who was in charge of personnel and I said, you by chance don't have any jobs available, do you? For people who might want to begin a career. And they said, did you graduate college? And I said, yeah, seven days ago. They said, fine. When can you start? What? do mean, when can I start? I'm not even sitting down in your office. I said, are you actually hiring me right now? She said,

Yeah, you look like you can do the job. Monday. Okay. That started my career, that bizarre set of circumstances. So I get there and I am now a psychiatric aid helping deal with and support people who have severe emotional problems, obviously, because they've been hospitalized. And I was getting very nice feedback from the staff, from the nurses who had been there for decades, from the psychiatric residents. said, you know, you should go into the business. Hence.

I did. I started applying to graduate school. I got married early. My wife and I moved to California and I bumbled and stumbled through the whole process and finally got my doctorate from Syracuse in 1976. Came to New York, took the licensing exam and here we are decades later and I'm still involved in the business and it's still enjoyable even though I'm a new

Cheryl McColgan (02:48.13)That's an amazing story. it's funny actually how much we have in common because people that have listened to the podcast before might know that my background is in psychology. And I did go to graduate school for psychology as well, but I did not finish, unlike you. And also wanted to be a rock star, played the saxophone for many years.

Lloyd Glauberman (03:06.132)Well, we have a lot in common. Welcome to those who didn't make it.

Cheryl McColgan (03:14.478)What a wild and wonderful world of health and wellness. But I think obviously the fact that you're still excited about it and still coming out with new things even further along in your career is really amazing. And one of the things that caught my eye when your team reached out was that you also work with hypnotherapy. And that's something, a topic that I've never covered on the show before. It's not something that I've ever really looked deeply into.

Lloyd Glauberman (03:35.529)Yes.

Cheryl McColgan (03:42.07)other than the old movies where the guys wavin' the clock in front of the face or something. That is about the extent of my knowledge. So I'd love it if you would just share with me and the audience what exactly is hypnotherapy and then how have you been using it to help people change their behaviors?

Lloyd Glauberman (03:58.226)In a variety of different ways, I'll go through my own understanding of it. mean, hypnosis is one of those magical terms, right? I mean, when you say somebody is in hypnotherapy as opposed to psychotherapy, like I'm doing CBT, you know, I'm doing hypnosis, ooh, you get that kind of thing. People don't realize that trance is something that we are in and out of all day long.

But because it's so commonplace and we're so used to it, we don't call it hypnosis. We just call it, for instance, daydreaming. Have you ever been in a really deep daydream when somebody's calling your name one, two, three times and you finally hear it and go, realize they had called you by your name three times and you didn't hear it? That's a hypnotic trance state, but it's not called that.

Cheryl McColgan (04:50.348)Absolutely.

Lloyd Glauberman (04:56.018)Then, because nobody's talking to you to go deeper and deeper, you're just doing it on your own, right? People don't realize how much life is in and out of trance. Another commonplace experience, you're listening to music and suddenly a tune pops up from your high school years, one of your favorite years, right? And suddenly your mind kind of goes back in time and is beginning to relive that moment. In hypnosis,

That's called age regression. But when you're listening to it by yourself, you don't call it anything, you're just in the past and enjoying that moment of thinking about something that occurred back. All of those experiences that occur in hypnosis are wired into us and occur all the time. We're little bits and pieces of audio voices in our head floating in and out of consciousness. And sometimes we don't realize that it's happening. The next thing…

We're feeling kind of strange because we didn't notice that we started talking to ourselves and denigrating ourselves because other things are going on. You didn't pay much attention. All of that is a self hypnotic thing. So, so much of hypnosis is experiences that we're having, but because it doesn't have the aura of somebody on stage telling somebody to bark like a dog, you know what I mean? And then doing it, right? Cause we think about it, mind control, power and that kind of thing. It's not like hypnosis.

can't be useful, of course it can be, but it has to be understood in the context of everything else that goes on in our minds. These are skills that we all have, but we don't know that. So the whole idea is to generate ways to introduce information to people so they will somehow store it and use it. One of the more interesting ways of doing hypnosis is called conversational hypnosis.

Cheryl McColgan (06:37.23)Yeah.

Lloyd Glauberman (06:53.936)It's you're talking to somebody and you'll be talking at a certain pace like I'm talking right now. And then you'll pause and speak a little bit slower and say a few words about how wouldn't it be interesting to be able to solve that problem that you're having. And maybe some point you got that change in pace and noticing how words get marked out. Anybody who does hypnosis really well knows how to mark out words to the listener.

in a way that tends not to bring attention to them. Because the whole idea is get around the conscious mind so you can hear things without knowing it, so you can respond in a positive way at the right times, in the right places, and with the right people. So some people who are hearing people. Yeah, yeah, we know more than we realize.

Cheryl McColgan (07:40.248)Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And it's a description that's not as woo woo as I would have expected. And one question to clarify something that you said earlier before we kind of move on with, you know, how you use that to help people. Cause I do have a couple of questions around that, but the thing that came to mind when you were describing how we all may have experienced this before or have this skill. it, so I think a lot of people that listen to this might be familiar with kind of flow state, like artists and

Lloyd Glauberman (07:47.058)It's alright.

Cheryl McColgan (08:09.898)sports people and golfers and that kind of thing. When you were describing that, I immediately thought of flow state because you're kind of in a subconscious state for lack of a better term. Maybe you can describe it better. Would you say that that's similar to hypnosis or is that sort of a different phenomenon?

Lloyd Glauberman (08:28.34)That's a very productive trance state. You're not in everyday consciousness. Your focus is completely different and it's focused on one particular set of skills or data, visual data that you're dealing with, or auditory data, right? And yeah, that's a very productive self,

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I've been planning to do this Hume Health review for a while, but I wanted to wait until I'd used it for six months. During this time, I got three DEXA scans to compare the results to the Hume Health Body Pod scale. According to the manufacturer, the Body Pod correlates within three percent of a DEXA scan. For this Hume Health vs DEXA review, I thought it would be easier to present my thoughts in a video/audio form so I can share it with my podcast audience as well. If you prefer to read it the transcript is below and I'll be updating this page shortly with a written review.

If you decide to try the Hume Body Pod (or the Hume Band), use code HEALNOURISHGROW at checkout to receive an extra discount that stacks on top of their sales (even for Black Friday)!

In this episode I discusses the importance of daily weigh-ins and how they can be a valuable tool for tracking body composition over time. However, just knowing your weigh isn't enough, especially when you're actively working to build muscle and lose fat. I share my thoughts on various body fat scales I've used in the past as well as most recent experience with the Hume Health Scale. Using the three DEXA scans I got during the same time, I compare the accuracy and utility of using a home body composition scale. I also share tips and tricks on how to get the most accurate readings from your Hume Body Pod.

I also provide practical tips for maintaining muscle mass while managing weight, highlighting the significance of protein intake and consistent tracking. Since recording this episode, I also started using the Hume band to track other health metrics. You can read my review of the Hume band vs Whoop here.

How Accurate is the Hume Health Scale?

The company reports that this scale is the only one approved for medical clinics/ It uses 8 sensors, including a hand held piece to gauge weight, body composition and heart rate each time you step on.

After using this scale well over 6 months now as of April 2025, I can report that it's very accurate when used under the same daily hydration conditions. Ideally, you use the scale right after you wake up and use the bathroom, before consuming any food or liquid. This is the way to get the most consistent results that show your body composition changes over time.

Takeaways

Daily weigh-ins can help maintain consistency in weight management.

Daily weight fluctuations are often due to hydration and diet, not fat gain.

Tracking weight over time reveals trends rather than daily changes.

Body fat scales can provide insights into muscle and fat composition.

The Hume Health Scale offers improved accuracy over traditional scales.

DEXA scans and body fat scales have their own variances in accuracy.

Consistency in measurement conditions is crucial for reliable data.

Prioritizing protein intake is essential for muscle preservation during weight loss.

Regular strength training helps protect muscle mass during calorie deficits.

The Hume Health Scale is a valuable tool for at-home body composition tracking.

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Link to Document

My Rating

4.6 / 5

Based on my hands-on testing of the Hume Body Pod, including setup, accuracy, usability, and long-term performance.

Podcast Transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:01.262)Hey everyone, welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow podcast. Today I am going to discuss a product that I've been using for a while and this will be a little bit different of a podcast episode, although it will weave in some of the tools that I've used over the years to be consistent. And one of those things is the simple body scale. So I'm one of those weirdos that I weigh every single day. I just look at it as data.

And I really feel like over the years, this is what's helped me be really consistent and not gain or lose too much weight in any one given time. I know a lot of people are not very excited about using a scale or having daily weigh-ins, but I really do think it's a valuable tool if you're a person that can just treat it as data and not allow whatever the number on the scale says to wreck your day, basically.

Because body weight is so dependent really on just day-to-day hydration, whether or not you had a salty meal the night before, that sort of thing. And so what I've noticed over the years is that literally my weight can fluctuate within a week of anywhere from a pound or almost the same every day all the way up to a five pound difference, just depending again, mainly on hydration. if you can look at it that you know,

People will often say this and it drives me nuts. I gained three pounds this week or I gained three pounds yesterday and it's like you really didn't. You didn't gain three pounds of fat overnight. You probably just ate something really salty the day before. So what's really important is more the idea of tracking your weight over time and looking for trends and having the ability to have a weekly average or something like that with your weight.

So you really just want to look at it as data and not let whatever that number is on any given day rule your world. The other reason that we need to be concerned about body weight and why just a regular scale is not all that useful is because there's never been a really great way to track your body composition using a regular scale. So your regular scale just tells you your weight. It doesn't tell you anything about how much percent fat you have or how much muscle you have.

Cheryl McColgan (02:22.606)or anything like that. as I've been going through my little weightlifting consistency thing over the last 18 months, you know, it's been a big goal of mine to put on more muscle. so oftentimes what has happened on the scale, and I can track this because I've gotten several decks of scans over time when I was making this a new goal of mine, is that, for example, in a six month period, even though I'd been working out really consistently and

doing a lot of things that should have affected my weight. If I was looking at my weight as just the number on the scale, after six months, my weight was exactly the same. It was crazy. And if you didn't have some kind of tool like a dexter or whatever, you might've thought, I didn't make any progress at all. And it would really be easy to get discouraged. But what actually happened in that amount of time is that I had put on three pounds of muscle and lost three pounds of fat at the same time.

which is really amazing. Yet with a traditional scale, all you'd get on the scale is that you were exactly the same. And so that can be really defeating. And so one of the tools, and I've talked about this over before, that I've used over the years is a body fat scale. And they use bioelectrical impedance to send electrical current through your body. And basically the way that it works is that your muscle holds a lot more water than fat. it,

the electrical signal passes through it. I always get this little confused, but it's either it passes through it more quickly or less quickly than that. And that's how they tell the difference. And so then using some kind of calculation and algorithm, they're able to predict your body fat and your muscle mass based on that electrical signal. Now, when these first came out, they were not very consistent at all, but I've always been an early adopter and I've always been involved in the health and wellness space for a really long time.

So I had one of the first ones that came out, a bioelectrical impedance scale. based on, know, I think I had my first, like I had a hydrostatic, which is where you actually immerse yourself in water. And this used to be the gold standard of body composition, you get immersed in water to do your body fat. And I had had the scale at the same time. So I knew.

Cheryl McColgan (04:43.286)that the scale was really off. But what has always been good for is trends because what it will do relatively well is track over time, are you losing fat, gaining fat, losing muscle, gaining muscle. So in that way, it was kind of useful. then it still is just acts like a regular scale and tells you you're right every day. So the first one I had probably 15 years ago or whenever those first came out, not that great, but had it for years. And then probably about

five years ago, I'd say I invested in a new one. was a withings and it was definitely better and had some other little features that I really liked. Like it had a cardiovascular health number that was based on,

In this episode of the Heal Nourish Grow podcast, Cheryl McColgan discusses how to stay on track with your 2025 goals, emphasizing the importance of consistency over motivation. She shares strategies for creating manageable goals, habit stacking, and balancing commitments to ensure success.

Cheryl also highlights the significance of time management, mental tricks for habit formation and the value of rewarding progress. Personal reflections and life updates provide a relatable context for her insights. I

She also shares her experiences and insights from a recent vacation, focusing on travel challenges, dietary choices, and fitness management. She discusses the importance of maintaining an active lifestyle while traveling, the balance between indulgence and health and the significance of consistency in fitness routines.

Takeaways

Motivation can fluctuate; focus on building habits instead.

Consistency and commitment are key to achieving goals.

Start with small, manageable goals to avoid overwhelm.

Habit stacking can help integrate new habits into your routine.

Evaluate your goals to ensure they are realistic and achievable.

Balance your commitments to avoid setting yourself up for failure.

Investing in time-saving solutions can enhance your wellness journey.

Sleep is crucial for recovery and overall health.

Use mental tricks to overcome resistance to starting workouts.

Reward yourself for progress to maintain motivation. Baggage capacity issues can disrupt travel plans.

Consistency in diet and exercise is key to health.

Listening to your body is crucial for injury management.

Aging affects fitness goals and recovery time.

Balance indulgence with healthy choices while traveling.

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Episode Transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:01.134)Hello everyone, welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow podcast. And also happy 2025. I don't think I've gotten to officially say that even though there has been an episode out this year. Anyway, today I just wanted to chat with you about how to stay on track with your 2025 goals. A lot of people set New Year's resolutions or even if you don't set a strict resolution, there might be some things that you are trying to work on in the new year and

this is one of my favorite topics because I feel like everybody thinks they want to wait until they get motivated to do something. motivation waxes and wanes. And I speak to this 100 % from experience because over the years, my motivation in area of health and wellness has been lacking. But that doesn't prevent me from doing the things I know I need to do and that I should do.

And that's because I think motivation is really overrated. It's more about creating your habits and then having just consistency and commitment over motivation. And that's really what will help get you to your goals. And one of the things that I find and I haven't been doing much coaching lately. I'm actually thinking about opening that up again. So if that's something that you're interested in, please get in touch and let me know. You can just email me at

info at heelnourishrow.com. But one of the things that I've noticed in the past, and I've heard many, many other coaches and people in the wellness space say this, that the thing that people kind of get hung up on the most, particularly with New Year's resolutions, is that they try to bite off way more than they can chew. And so what happens is for maybe the first couple weeks of the year, you stick with whatever your new routine is. I'm going to eat right, I'm going to exercise four times a week, I'm going to

drink more water, all this. And so you might stay with it for a couple of weeks, but it all becomes very overwhelming. And so instead of moving forward, you just feel overwhelmed and you kind of quit altogether and not taking any of those habits where if you do some things like habit stacking, and I'll talk more about what that is shortly, habit stacking, starting really small, making small manageable goals, taking one goal at a time. instead of

Cheryl McColgan (02:23.318)exercise, eat different, drink water, maybe it's just pick one of those to start with, not all at the same time, because time, time goes on. You have weeks, you know, if we're all lucky, we have weeks and weeks and months and months and years and years of time to create these new habits. And what happens is getting the first one solidified or getting one in your routine where you're committed and you're, you know, doing that one again, and it becomes just a routine to you. don't even think about it like brushing your teeth.

those are the best habits because then that goes on autopilot and then that's the perfect time to then start another small habit that you can do over time. if your commitment and your goals have already waned, I'd like to invite you right now, know, the New Year's a great time, of course, because it's just kind of what's traditional and what people are used to. But really any day, not a Monday, can be a Tuesday, can be a Wednesday, it can be a Thursday, any day, any week, any month.

is a time to start something new. And so if you're already starting to wane on some of your New Year's resolutions and you hadn't given them this much thought before, maybe evaluate, did you take on too much at once? Maybe that's really what's preventing you from being consistent in these new habits. Or did you set a goal that's just very unrealistic? That's a thing too. I mean, starting to go from a diet where, say you're eating the standard American diet, you're eating out a lot, you're eating a lot of fast food.

And then your goal for the new year was, well, I'm just gonna eat all whole foods. Well, that's a very daunting task. They're very different from one another. So it might be best to just start with, okay, most days I'm going to make better choices. And you do want it to be measurable. So for example, maybe it's if you're eating a lot of fast food, you might set your goal to, I'm only gonna eat fast food four days a week, if you're at five days a week now. So starting small like that. And then do that for a week or two.

and then take it down even more and make this transition more gradual over time. Because especially with food too, if food or a different way of eating is one of your goals, if you've eaten a lot of highly palatable processed food, the food scientists are smart. They design the food, they engineer the food to make you want more and crave more of it. And there's this perfect combination of salt and sugar.

Cheryl McColgan (04:42.624)and fat and things that make it just so stimulating to your brain. It's a big dopamine hit. And so if you go from having that every single day of the week, going to what's going to seem in your mind, maybe bland food if you're eating whole foods and you maybe you're not the best or maybe you're not used to making things at home. And so the taste difference is going to be so significantly different that not only are you going to, you're going to lose out on some of those hits. So that's going to make you feel not as good in making these good choices.

And it's also just going to be such difference in taste that initially that it might be just a challenge. If you slowly over time, you'll have a lot more success hitting that goal. And then also keep in mind kind of the 80-20 rule. So in many things, maybe it's your diet, maybe 80 % of the time as whole foods, maybe 20%, you get some treats or have some things that are more processed 80-20 in that way. Also 80-20 in your consistency. None of this can be perfect.

100 % of the time every day of the week. And so give yourself some grace. If you make a little mistake or something didn't go as you planned on one day, or even in one hour, the next hour, the next day, the next week is a chance to do it. The only thing I would say about that is don't wait. Just recognize that, okay, that wasn't the best choice I made for lunch there. I had fast food. I said I wasn't going to do that. But now for dinner, I'm going to make a better choice. I'm going to eat more healthy food for tonight.

And then tomorrow I'll honor my commitment to whatever that goal was for that day. So don't let it get away from you just because one meal, one time, one week, one day, one hour you messed up, that doesn't give you license to just ditch it all, right? So it's okay. Just give yourself grace and then reset your intention to make it better in the next choice, in the next choice. And so in that way, if you can make those good choices about 80 % of the time,

or better, you're going to be so much better off than where you are now. So let go of perfection, let good enough be good enough, and just move forward with your goals that way. So think that's one way to really start thinking that will allow you some breathing room so that you can create one new habit at a time. You you can work on more than one thing at once. You've just, you've got to know yourself and you've got to know your level of overwhelm.

Cheryl McColgan (07:03.822)And you've got to know how difficult the thing is that you are changing. So for example, if you're rehauling your diet overall, that's a pretty big goal that might take a lot of your decision making capacity and willpower and things like that. So that might mean that other goals need to be put on hold. As an alternative, if one of your main goals is you're already working out three days a week and you've committed to do four days a week now, that's not as big of a jump.

that's probably going to be a relatively easy goal in terms of, you know, keeping your commitment and actually being successful with that. So taking on another goal on top of that one might not be as taxing. So not only do you want to create balance within each individual goal,

In this episode of the Heal Nourish Grow podcast, Cheryl interviews Kerry Mann, who shares his transformative journey of losing 100 pounds and overcoming severe health issues through dietary changes.

Kerry discusses his struggles with depression, anxiety, and various health conditions, and how he discovered the ketogenic and later the carnivore diet, which significantly improved his mental and physical health.

Kerry also shares his documentary that aims to highlight the healing power of a proper human diet and the stories of others who have experienced similar transformations.

Find Kerry at https://healinghumanity.movie/ and @homesteadhow on social media and YouTube.

Takeaways

Kerry lost 100 pounds and overcame depression and anxiety.

The ketogenic diet and later carnivore, was life-changing for Kerry.

Kerry is passionate about sharing his story through a documentary.

He emphasizes the importance of diet in mental health.

Kerry's documentary features real stories of transformation and benefits of the "proper human diet."

Watch on YouTube

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Episode Transcript

Cheryl McColgan (00:00.952)Hi everyone, welcome to the Heal Nourish Grow podcast. Today I am joined by Carrie Mann and he has a really amazing story that includes a hundred pounds of weight loss and he is now working on a documentary and I just think he has a really interesting background so I was really excited to share his story with you. So welcome Carrie and if we could get started by you just sharing. First of all, don't think I said in that like how you ended up.

losing the weight and it's kind of a thing that is very popular right now. I think that a lot of people have heard about. So when it gets to that point, I would love to have you share how you found that and why that ended up working for you. So welcome, Carrie.

Kerry (00:42.586)Thank you so much Cheryl, I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm down 100 pounds since my heaviest, overcame all sorts of health issues. For me, I actually, found the ketogenic diet maybe 10 or 15 years ago and it was kind of life changing for me back then. It was the only thing that had really worked for me. I had depression, I had anxiety, I was diagnosed with IBS.

I sleep apnea. I went in for a sleep study and I had to get a CPAP machine. My stomach was just always hurting. No matter what I would eat, I tried many different types of diets, low FODMAP, plant-based diet, and my stomach was always bothering me. I ended up having a couple of kidney stones a few years ago. had my gallbladder was kind of borderline and the doctor was like, you could take it out or you could leave it. And I said, I have so many stomach issues. Let's take the gallbladder out.

And then like two years after that, I lost my appendix. It burst on the operating room table. Could have killed me. Like, thankfully I went in for the hospital. I was actually thinking I was having another kidney stone, but I went in just before they were going to do surgery on the appendix, it burst. And just had a whole bunch of health issues. I had arthritis in my foot. They said it was gout and it hurt so bad I could barely walk on it.

And then amongst all that my weight just kept going up the biggest issue for me was mental health depression and anxiety for 10 or 15 years. I tried every antidepressant anti-anxiety medicine and Just never got better for me the medication Sort of made me feel like a zombie I kind of felt numb to it But I I just didn't feel like myself and the really deep dark depression kind of never went away

But when I found keto, which was 10 or 15 years ago, I was watching a documentary on Netflix and I learned about keto for the first time and I tried it. It was the only thing that ever touched my depression. I noticed like, I feel a little better. I feel different. It was a whoa moment. I'm like, I feel different than I have with any of this other medication. And I started losing some weight and I probably lost more weight on a

Kerry (02:54.106)decent ketogenic diet than I have doing any other sort of dieting my entire life and I've literally tried every diet. I just couldn't maintain it with keto. I remember at one point I lost about 60 pounds and my wife did too and I started exercising and we're feeling so good. We have a picture of my wife and myself and I remember saying, I will never gain this weight back. Like I've figured it out now. And I think it was like three or four months later I gained all the weight back and then some.

I would do keto and then I would try to go back to eating in moderation which for me is like moderating an addiction to carbohydrates and I could never do it and I would end up gaining the weight back but long story short I found carnivore diet which is sounds crazy I know it sounded crazy to me it sounds crazy to a lot of people really what it is is just a very strict ketogenic diet I heard about it from a YouTube video from this guy he said I'm gonna do this carnivore diet for 90 days

and my wife and I were watching him on YouTube and I'm like that's crazy like you can't eat only meat you're gonna have a heart attack you're gonna clog your arteries

But on the flip side, the guy's story, he was overweight. He had depression. He had IBS. He had all of the issues that I had. And I knew when he was talking about it, I knew the science of a ketogenic diet. I'm like, that will work. That's just a strict ketogenic diet, but there's no way you could just eat meat and sustain it. long story short, I noticed that the video was two years old on YouTube. And so I was watching with my wife. said kind of cynically, I'm like, there's no way this guy is still eating meat. Like let's fast forward. Let's go watch his most

most recent video and I did that you couldn't even recognize him he lost all of his weight he had a big smile on his face he was talking like his IBS was gone his mood had improved his depression had gone away and that was really what opened my eyes I still in my brain I'm like this guy's an outlier he's crazy that's not gonna work for everyone and then I did a ton of research I found Dr. Ken Berry on YouTube

Kerry (04:56.928)Talking about carnivore diet. I probably watched a thousand of his videos and Then I found dr. Philip Ovedia who's a heart surgeon that's been eating carnivore for about ten years He's performed like 4,000 heart surgeries. I'm like, wow a heart surgeons doing carnivore and then I found Dr. Anthony Chaffee who's a neurosurgeon. He's literally done brain surgery on people I heard Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan and he had done the lion diet, which is a stricter version of carnivore

and he said he was off all of his antidepressant medication and he stopped snoring the first week and I was snoring and I was on antidepressant medications and I'm like all of these really smart people I'm like I shouldn't do carnivore because these smart people are doing it but it is worth further investigation it would be foolish of me to just be like that's just crazy I can't do it when all these other people are doing it and

one other thing I forgot to mention. The biggest issue besides my depression was about seven years ago. I was at home and I got really dizzy. I stood up and my face was numb. My fingers were tingling. I was confused. My wife was asking me what was going on. I couldn't tell her what was happening. She called 911.

and I spent the next five days in the stroke unit. had a TIA mini stroke in my late 30s and they did all these tests on me. Thankfully, I had a couple of symptoms that lasted a while like vertigo and numbness and I went to physical therapy for that, but it wasn't like a full blown stroke. So I didn't have anything like permanent paralysis, but they did all these tests. They're like, you're 37. Like, why do you have all of these health issues? What's wrong with you? And they tested my heart and they said you have

congestive heart failure. Your ejection fraction is 44. Your heart, what that means is for those that don't know, your heart doesn't keep up with the needs of your body. It's not pumping enough blood. That's why you're getting fatigued and tired. They said it's probably a downstream effect of my sleep apnea. That puts a lot of pressure on the heart. It probably didn't help that I was a hundred pounds heavier than I should have been. That puts a lot of extra pressure on the heart too. So all of those things were what was happening.

Kerry (07:07.576)So when I saw Dr. Ovedia, a heart surgeon, that was one of my biggest concerns. like, I can't, I can't eat meat. Even after seeing Dr. Barry and some of these other ones, that's going to clog my arteries. That's going to give me a heart attack. And then I heard Dr. Philip Ovedia talking about it. And I really started digging into some more research around.

the heart and cholesterol and a lot of stuff that I have learned we have been misled on that even like major institutions have reversed but sort of the mainstream narrative is you eat meat you clog your arteries There's a lot of misconceptions there. So long story short or maybe a little too long. Sorry. I tend to rant a little I Decided I what else do I have to lose? I'm I'm so sick. I have all of these issues I said I'm gonna just do an elimination diet. I didn't tell myself I'm gonna eat meat only I said I'm gonna

Cheryl McColgan (07:41.988)Bye.

Kerry (07:54.722)I'm just gonna eat meat. Like that was all that was left. Some people would argue, what about vegetables? And I actually did that for about a year. I did a strict ketogenic plant-based diet. I had just a tiny bit of protein, but it was salad for lunch, salad for dinner, all low carb. It didn't help me for a year. I still had IBS. I still had depression. And now everybody's different, so I'm not saying this forever.

But for me that did not help me So yeah,