As many of my readers know, I have stayed drug free and surgery free from widespread Crohn’s disease for over 25 years. In this series, I interview my long‑time colleague, Natasha Trenev. She is the founder and owner of Natren Probiotics. Many people call her the mother of probiotics.

She had probiotic standards read into the U.S. Congressional Record. If our industry followed those standards, probiotic supplements would be far better today.

I asked Natasha to join me for a series of deep‑dive calls. I want to bring her knowledge into the mainstream. She has worked in this field for 60 years. She is 77 and still working because she sees so many chronically ill adults and children. We both care deeply. We also use critical thinking. We test ideas. We keep what works. We discard what does not.

This blog is based on my in-depth interview with Natasha Trenev, the Mother of Probiotics.

You can watch the complete episode in this video:

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In this post, I share what we discussed about irritable bowel syndrome and small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

I also share the exact protocol I use, with probiotic species and herbal antimicrobials.

Irritable bowel syndrome is a functional gastrointestinal disorder. Doctors use this term when the digestive tract looks normal on tests. Yet symptoms persist. IBS symptoms include abdominal pain, bloating, gas, diarrhea, constipation, or a mix. These symptoms affect quality of life. Work, school, travel, and relationships suffer.

IBS does not always get labeled as inflammatory. But inflammation often plays a role. The gut microbiota becomes imbalanced. Gut motility slows or speeds up. The immune system overreacts or underreacts. Food breaks down into particle sizes that feed bad bacteria. The result is discomfort and distress.

Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth means too many bacteria live in the small intestine. Bacteria should be dense in the large intestine. The small intestine should hold fewer microbes. In SIBO, fermentation happens too early. This triggers gas, distention, abdominal pain, diarrhea, or constipation.

Nutrient absorption suffers. Fatty acids may not get absorbed well. Fat‑soluble vitamins can drop. Many people labeled with IBS also have SIBO. Breath tests try to detect it. These tests can help. They can also miss cases. Clinical trials use them with a placebo group to measure change, but real life is messier.

Root causes differ by person. Common risk factors include low stomach acid, chronic stress, past antibiotic therapy, use of proton pump inhibitors, slowed gut motility, food poisoning, and abdominal surgery.

Leaky gut, also called increased intestinal permeability, can add to the load. The gut microbiome shifts. The immune response becomes confused. I aim my protocol at these causes.

Natasha’s standards focus on strain specificity, potency through expiry, and proper delivery. She warns against vague labels like “probiotic blend.” She rejects soil‑based probiotics for most people with IBS or SIBO. She focuses on traditional probiotics with documented safety and clear strain IDs.

She has watched the industry change. She has also seen misinformation explode. She and I agree. A colon cleanse is not what most IBS patients need. A careful, staged plan is needed instead.

Natasha also reminds us that the intestinal lining is only one cell thick. Those cells turn over every three to five days. Attached bacteria shed with those cells. So regular intake of live microorganisms is needed.

This is why daily probiotic supplementation matters.

IBS with diarrhea can rule a person’s life. Natasha shared how many people plan routes by bathrooms. The urge hits fast. Accidents happen. Fear grows. IBS with constipation is also miserable. Gas builds. Pain increases. The digestive tract feels stuck. Either pattern hurts.

Pain often comes from trapped gas and nerve irritation. When food does not fully digest, the wrong bacteria feast on it. They make excess gas. Neurons in the gut wall get irritated. Abdominal pain follows. Post‑meal discomfort can appear minutes after eating.

I recommend a simple cycle. Reduce harmful microbes. Rebuild beneficial bacteria. Repeat as needed. I learned this the hard way with my own gut. I then tested it with hundreds of readers.

In my protocol, I use a powerful herbal antimicrobial approach. Wild oregano oil works well for many people. It is taken up to five times per day during a defined “kill phase.” This is not used forever, but in pulses.

Some people also rotate in other herbal antimicrobials such as olive leaf extract, garlic extract, or grapefruit seed extract. These are options, but it’s best to choose one primary tool for each round.

Before bed, I recommend a high dose of therapeutic probiotic strains. Natren probiotics are my choice because I trust their strain integrity and delivery system. The bacteria need to survive stomach acid, attach to the intestinal wall, and communicate with the immune system.

The probiotics species in Natren probiotics include Bifidobacterium bifidum, Bifidobacterium infantis, Lactobacillus acidophilus and Lactobacillus bulgaricus. These species support both the small intestine and the large intestine.

They help reduce bloating, improve gut motility, calm the immune response, and stabilize the digestive lining.

This treatment cycle is repeated based on symptoms. For chronic conditions, it may be repeated every few months. For inflammatory bowel disease, longer cycles may be needed.

Symptom tracking is important here: bowel movements, gas, abdominal pain, mood, and energy all provide guidance. When symptoms return, repeat the protocol. When stability is reached, continue with a maintenance dose of probiotics.

Natasha recommends starting with Natren’s Healthy Trinity, a three-in-one probiotic system. It delivers specific strains to the areas of the gastrointestinal tract where they are most effective. Many people with IBS begin with two capsules per day, taken away from food.

However, if you’re having more than 3 bowel movements per day, I don’t recommend you swallow any capsules (or pills) as the transit time is too fast for them to dissolve properly. In that case, use Natren’s powdered probiotics and mix in filtered water.

Healthy Trinity can be helpful whether IBS shows up as spastic colon, or constipation:

While none of her probiotics are harmful, taking very high doses too quickly can cause an intense die-off (Herxheimer reaction). This happens when yeast or bad bacteria die and release toxins.

Symptoms can include fatigue, headaches, rashes, or flu-like feelings. Starting slow and increasing gradually works better.

We learned this through experience. Early on, some of my readers tried to only kill pathogens. They felt awful. They took longer to recover. When we paired killing during the day with rebuilding at night, we saw faster, gentler progress.

In our informal reader study with over 250 participants, this paired approach gave better results. People reported significant improvements in gas, bloating, and abdominal pain. Many also noted better sleep and calmer moods. The gut‑brain axis responded!

Food choices can either support or slow recovery. Both Natasha and I recommend keeping the diet simple during treatment.

Raw vegetables and salads

Sugar and sweetened drinks

Carefully tested dairy: many people react to cow dairy, but raw sheep’s milk yogurt is often better tolerated. I’ve found that adding Natren probiotic powders to sheep yogurt can help build tolerance over time. Always start with a very small amount and increase slowly.

Some people find short-term relief with a modified low FODMAP diet or an elemental diet during the antimicrobial phase. These reduce fermentable substrates in the small intestine. However, they are temporary tools.

The long-term goal is always a diverse, whole-food diet that supports a healthy gut microbiome.

Your immune system listens to your gut microbes. When the right bacteria attach to the gut lining, they send calming signals. They can down-regulate an overactive response. They can also increase defenses when needed.

Natasha uses a simple image. Think of the immune system as a scanner. Think of food and bacteria as QR codes. If the code is wrong, the immune system overreacts. If the code is right, it lets food and good microbes pass. Probiotic species help set the code.

This is one reason probiotic supplementation improves more than bowel habits. People often report fewer food reactions. Skin clears. Joints ache less. Energy rises. The entire body benefits when the digestive system calms down.

I see strong links between gut health and mood. The digestive tract produces serotonin and dopamine. The vagus nerve carries signals between the gut and the brain. When dysbiosis dominates, anxiety and depression can increase. People may even feel wired and tired.

Natasha and I have seen young people on multiple psychotropic drugs while their gastrointestinal tract is in distress. She has also seen how hard some drugs are to taper.

She notes that certain medications, like some SSRIs and benzodiazepines, can be difficult. This is not medical advice. It is a call to look at the gut first. When the gut microbiota improves, the brain often follows. Better sleep, steadier mood, and clearer thinking show up as the gut heals.

Breath tests for SIBO can guide treatment. Stool tests can find pathogens. But both have limits. Stool only shows what leaves the body. It does not prove dominance in the gut. Breath tests miss cases and can be affected by diet and motility.

I do not wait on perfect tests. I use symptoms to guide action. I start the protocol. I adjust based on response. I save money for quality probiotics and whole food instead of many rounds of testing.

People ask me about soil‑based probiotics. I do not use them for IBS or SIBO. Natasha has long warned about this category. Traditional probiotics, with lactobacilli and bifidobacteria, work in symbiosis with the human GI tract. They have 100 years of clinical studies. They offer predictable, beneficial effects. Soil organisms can behave differently. Many IBS patients report flares after taking them. I choose the safer path.

When pathogens die, they release toxins. Candida overgrowth is a good example. As it dies, up to 168 toxic compounds flood the system. This can create a “die-off” or Herxheimer reaction, where symptoms temporarily worsen before improving. Common die-off effects include headaches, joint pain, skin eruptions, fatigue, and flu-like feelings.

To manage this stage, it helps to:

These steps allow the body to continue clearing harmful microbes while keeping the die-off reaction at a manageable level.

Wi-Fi and radiation: I specifically mentioned that Wi-Fi and microwave radiation damage cellular structure and add to the toxic burden. So reducing screen time and exposure at night fits.

If you want step‑by‑step detail, read my books. Listen to Your Gut and Listen to Your IBS lay out protocols, dosages, and timing. They also cover diet, symptom tracking, and troubleshooting. Many healthcare professionals keep a copy in their waiting rooms.

Some cannot recommend them directly due to regulations. But they use the tools themselves. You can too. If you only want the wild oregano/probiotic protocol mentioned above, then just get my Natural Healing Guide: Gut Infection. It’s a short book, and easy to implement.

Partner with a skilled healthcare provider if you can. Choose someone who respects natural care, understands the digestive tract, and will tailor treatment. Share your plan. Ask for help with medication tapers if needed. Combine wisdom. Your body wins when you build a supportive team.

Answer: Yes. The bifidobacteria can support IBS‑D. The lactobacilli and Digest‑Lac can support IBS‑C. Start low. Increase slowly. Watch for die‑off. If having more than 3 bowel movements per day, switch to Natren powders.

Answer: Yes. Separate them by two hours. Kill during the day. Rebuild at night.

Answer: No. Fermented foods are functional foods. They support health. But they rarely supply the specific species and potencies needed for IBS and SIBO. Use both if tolerated.

Answer: Time varies. Some feel better in weeks. Complex cases can take months. Infections like mycobacteria can cycle. I repeat rounds every few months until stable.

Answer: Digestive enzymes can help during meals. They reduce the load on the small intestine. They can ease bloating and post‑meal discomfort.

Natasha reminds us that the human body renews itself. About 98 percent of the body rebuilds each year. We also shed vast numbers of bacteria every minute. We must replace them with quality proteins and beneficial bacteria. The body is not defective. It knows how to heal when given the right tools and the right perception of reality. This is hopeful news. It should encourage you to start.

This plan is safe, clear, and effective for many IBS and SIBO patients. It respects the gut microbiome. It respects the immune system. It works with the body.

I invited Natasha because her knowledge is rare. We have few people left with her level of experience. We want to record and share what she knows before it disappears. We want to cut through noise and marketing. We want to give you clear steps that help. In every episode, we will take one topic. We will break it down. We will show you what to do at home.

Healing IBS and SIBO takes time, but it is possible. By reducing harmful microbes, restoring beneficial bacteria, and supporting the gut with diet and lifestyle, you give your digestive system the chance to recover.

Natasha and I share these protocols because we want people to have accurate information, not quick fixes or gimmicks. With the right probiotic supplementation, targeted diet changes, and consistent support, you can improve gut health and quality of life.

For more details, you can explore my books Listen to Your Gut and Listen to Your IBS, or contact Natren directly for guidance on probiotics. My own site also has live chat if you need support in applying these protocols.

When I was first diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, I was swamped with fear and confusion. Crohn’s disease and Ulcerative colitis are both forms of inflammatory bowel disease. They involve an attack the digestive tract, and cause abdominal pain, diarrhea, and bleeding. My doctors suggested surgery and steroids. But I refused. I wanted a different path. I wanted to support my body’s ability to heal without harsh interventions.

A massive colonic hemorrhage pushed me to create my first formula. I had ten mercury fillings removed at once. Without any detox support, my body was poisoned and went into crisis. My weight dropped to 99 pounds. My albumin levels collapsed. I could not walk. The medical system had no answers. My choice was surgery, steroids, or finding another way. I chose to heal.

You can watch the video to hear more about how I healed from Crohn’s disease, and what led me to formulate these powerful healing tools:

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Everything you ever wanted to know about how and why I formulated each of my powerful healing formulas for Imix Nutrition Inc. Learn how all of these products arose from my own healing journey – things I needed, which did not exist at the time.

This video/podcast was a training session I held for doctors and health practitioners. They wanted to learn how they can best use products like Absorb Plus, QuikPlus Minerals, MultiAbsorb, and MucosaCalm to help their patients heal.

What we cover:

The digestive tract is not only where food is broken down. It is a key part of the immune system. Chronic inflammation in the small intestine and large intestine can weaken the entire body. Nutrient deficiencies often follow. Red blood cells may become low due to iron deficiency or folate deficiency. Vitamin D deficiency is common. Fatty acids and other essential vitamins become depleted. Blood tests can show these imbalances, but often they are not addressed.

Traditional treatments focus on suppressing symptoms. But side effects can be severe. Long-term drug usage creates new health risks. That is why alternative medicine and dietary supplements can play such an important role. Supporting the immune response and the body’s natural healing mechanisms can be safer for many Crohn’s patients.

When I was at my weakest, I created Absorb Plus. This elemental shake became my lifeline. For six weeks, I drank nine shakes a day. I gained weight, restored my strength, and healed my gut lining. Within 7 weeks, I rode my bike to the gym, where I worked out. All Crohn’s symptoms went into remission.

Absorb Plus works like a liquid diet. It contains pre-digested nutrients that the digestive system can absorb without stress. It is like breast milk for adults. There are several versions:

Absorb Plus has helped many ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s patients avoid feeding tubes and parenteral nutrition. Clinical studies on elemental diets show positive effects on disease activity. Side effects are minimal compared to steroids. The health benefits include weight gain, symptom relief, and reduced intestinal inflammation.

When I healed, I wanted to thrive. I grew tired of opening 20 supplement bottles every morning. So I created MultiAbsorb. It combines essential vitamins, minerals, and amino acids in one scoop. No fillers. No flow agents. No chemicals.

MultiAbsorb Daily Essential provides folic acid, Vitamin B, Vitamin D, and other key nutrients in balanced amounts. MultiAbsorb Immune Booster adds supergreens, bioflavonoids, and antioxidants. Clinical trials confirm the importance of these compounds for immune function. Blood tests can track deficiencies and guide dosage.

Nutritional supplements like MultiAbsorb help prevent long-term nutrient deficiencies. They support red blood cell formation, strengthen the immune system, and improve overall health.

Minerals are vital for the body’s ability to heal. But many forms are poorly absorbed. Tablets and powders often cause side effects like constipation or diarrhea. That is why I created QuikPlus Minerals. They are atomsized, ionic minerals that bypass digestion. They absorb through the lining of the mouth. No irritation. No stress.

The Quick Plus line includes:

Health benefits include stronger bones, better absorption, and less oxidative stress. Clinical trials show the importance of magnesium, iron, and trace minerals in the treatment of inflammatory bowel disease.

Many Crohn’s patients suffer from constipation or severe diarrhea. Standard laxatives or stool firming agents can trigger adverse effects. That is why I created ColonEaze Move and ColonEaze Firm.

Keeping a food diary helps identify trigger foods. Combining dietary fiber with these blends provides long-term symptom relief.

The mucosal lining of the gastrointestinal tract must be restored for long-term remission. My formula MucosaCalm uses slippery elm, marshmallow root, and N-acetyl glucosamine. These herbal remedies support tissue repair and reduce intestinal inflammation.

For anal fissures, I developed FissureHeal suppositories. They ease pain and speed healing. Alternative medicine can work where standard treatments fail. Clinical studies confirm the role of these herbs in gut healing.

A healthy, well-tolerated diet is essential for IBD patients. Well-cooked vegetables, bone broths, wild/white/Haiga rice, sprouted quinoa, plenty of good fats (cold-pressed flax, MCT, ghee, pasture-raised lard or tallow), and wild-harvested cold-water fish provide fatty acids and essential vitamins. Fish oil reduces oxidative stress. Vitamin D supplements are important when blood tests show low vitamin D levels. Calcium supplements can be used, but liquid ionic forms of calcium (see Bone Matrix) are safer.

Avoidance of dairy products often helps because lactose and casein intolerance is common in IBD. A low residue diet may be useful during flares. Lifestyle changes like stress reduction and gentle exercise also play an important role.

Blood tests are key in guiding a treatment plan. Healthcare providers can check for anemia along with iron, folate, magnesium, vitamin D, and vitamin A deficiencies. A combination of tests shows nutrient status and disease activity.

It is a good idea to ask about side effects of prescribed drugs. Many Crohn’s patients benefit from integrating dietary supplements with medical care. A cooperative approach between patients and health care providers brings the best results.

Healing from Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis is possible. Nutritional supplements, herbal remedies, and elemental diets provide symptom relief and long-term remission. Supporting the immune system and the digestive tract allows the body to recover.

My journey has been from near-death to thriving health. I have lived surgery-free for decades. My children are healthy and strong because of these protocols. My 83-year-old mother remains active and medication-free.

Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis are serious, but hope is real. Gentle nutrition, alternative medicine, and dietary supplements can provide lasting health benefits. Listen to your gut. Support it with what it needs. Healing can begin.

I recently had another conversation with my dear friend Natasha Trenev, founder of Natren and known worldwide as the Mother of Probiotics. Natasha has spent more than 60 years in the field of fermented foods. She was the first to introduce probiotics to North America back in 1982, long before most people even knew what the word meant.

We spoke about how environmental toxins are destroying our microbiome, how bacteria are far more intelligent than we realize, and what simple steps we can all take to heal our bodies and our homes.

As many of you know, I healed myself from widespread Crohn’s disease and have been drug and surgery free for almost 30 years. I’ve spent the last 25 years helping others do the same. Natasha and I are aligned in our mission: to restore health by protecting and nurturing the microbiome.

This blog is based on my in-depth interview with her. You can watch the complete episode in this video:

Or listen to the podcast:

We talked about how chemicals and pesticides disrupt the microbiome, why bacteria are intelligent beings, and what simple steps can detox your home. We also explored traditional foods, the probiotic strains that truly help, and how mindset and emotional healing create a healthy inner terrain.

Natasha explained something very interesting about the various mechanisms bacteria use to communicate. Our bacteria are constantly in conversation with our immune system. They are not silent passengers, they are actively guiding what happens in our bodies.

They do this in three main ways:

Through these methods, bacteria can influence how our immune system reacts, when it should calm down, and how inflammation is regulated. The communication goes both ways. Immune cells send messages back, and the bacteria adjust accordingly.

When our microbiome is healthy, this back-and-forth keeps the body balanced. When it’s damaged, the lines of communication break down, and that’s when trouble begins.

But here’s where it gets even more interesting: bacteria also respond to our thoughts and emotions. Natasha shared that in fermentation labs, if the person tending the cultures came in with negative energy, the batch often failed. The bacteria simply refused to “set” properly.

This is why I actually talk to my probiotics when I drink them. I thank them for coming to help me. I send them love. It might sound strange, but these are sentient beings. They respond to the environment we create: both physically and emotionally.

When we treat them as partners rather than passive supplements, they often do more for us.

We also discussed about the chemicals in our food, water, and air. Most people don’t realize that these are not just “pesticides” or “weed killers.” Many of them were originally patented as antibiotics. Glyphosate, for example, was first patented as a very potent antibiotic.

So every time we eat conventionally grown food, we are taking in micro-doses of antibiotics. These chemicals don’t just stay in the soil, they enter our food, our water, and even the air we breathe. They can also pass through the skin simply by touching pesticide-laden produce.

They disrupt our natural microbiome. They upset the balance of bacteria not only in the gut, but also in the reproductive organs, bloodstream, and even brain cells. They act as endocrine disruptors, throwing off the delicate balance of hormones. They also interfere with how we metabolize sugar and regulate blood glucose.

When our microbiome is under constant assault like this, the immune system has no choice but to go into overdrive. Inflammation is triggered because the body perceives cells damaged by toxins as defective. This is why we see an explosion of chronic illness.

Natasha believes and I agree that these chemical exposures are one of the primary reasons why 80% of people in North America now suffer from some form of chronic disease.

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These easy changes may sound simple, but the synergy together creates a powerful foundation for healing. When your water, air, food, and home environment are cleaner, your beneficial bacteria can do their job of protecting and detoxifying your body.

Natasha’s daily meals still reflect the healthy traditions of her Balkan heritage. Meat was eaten only twice a week, with most meals built around vegetables, beans, sourdough bread, and dairy. She still starts her day with pasture-raised eggs, dark rye toast, real butter, and olive oil, with fresh fruit and simple home-cooked meals throughout the day.

She also reminded us how difficult eating out can be, since restaurants often use the cheapest, most chemical-laden ingredients. This is why she believes the farmers market is our best option — not just for fresh produce, but also as a model for future community kitchens and stalls serving simple, clean, nutrient-dense meals.

Shopping your local market once a week and talking directly to farmers is one of the easiest ways to bring back this tradition of real food and safeguard your health.

Most probiotic products on the market don’t work because the bacteria are not compatible with the human body or are poorly grown. Natasha spent decades selecting strains that have been studied for over 100 years and that naturally live in our digestive tract:

For people with sensitive guts, Natasha recommends starting with Life Start – B. infantis, then slowly adding Bifido-Factor (for diarrhea-prone) or Digesta-Lac – L. bulgaricus (for constipation).

Good bacteria want to live in a healthy, positive environment. Negative thoughts, unresolved trauma, and toxic emotions make us poor hosts. This is why healing the gut often requires more than food and supplements.

Therapies like Lazer Tapping, EFT tapping, hypnotherapy, craniosacral work, and somatic experiencing help release trauma stored in the tissues.

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Healing doesn’t have to be complicated. Focus on the basics: clean air and water, real food, supportive bacteria, and a positive mindset. These are the foundations of health.

Bacteria are not passive. They are intelligent beings that sense our environment and emotions. When we give them the right conditions, they work with us to detoxify, regulate, and heal. This is why I see them as partners on the journey back to wellness.

For over 25 years, I have worked with people struggling with digestive diseases. I’ve lived through my own healing journey and shared what works in my books and on Listen To Your Gut.

Today, I want to talk about small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO), a condition that is becoming more common, especially in young women.

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In this blog, I’ll share insights from my recent podcast with Natasha Trenev, founder of Natren probiotics and a true pioneer in gut health. Natasha has over 60 years of experience in this field.

Together, we’ve seen what works and what doesn’t when it comes to treatment of SIBO.

This isn’t just about bacteria in the small intestine. It’s about the digestive tract as a whole—how it functions, what causes disruption, and how we can bring it back into balance using natural treatments.

Watch the full episode of my conversation with Natasha Trenev below. You can watch the video:

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When most people hear SIBO, they think only of bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. But SIBO is more complex.

In reality, the root cause of SIBO involves motility issues, immune dysfunction, food sensitivities, and stress. This is why so many people relapse after standard treatment.

Doctors often prescribe antibiotic treatment like rifaximin for SIBO. Yes, antibiotics can reduce symptoms. But here’s what I’ve seen:

In fact, Natasha and I both agree: relying on antibiotics alone is like putting a band-aid on a deep wound. It does not address dietary changes, lifestyle changes, or the need to replenish good bacteria.

In the treatment of SIBO, one of the most powerful steps is to restore the balance of good bacteria in the gut. But not all probiotics are created equal.

I’ve tested products around the world. From Germany to Japan, I looked for alternatives. But only Natren probiotics consistently meet the strict criteria needed to survive stomach acid, reach the small intestine, and stay alive through the expiration date.

Without potent probiotics, you risk wasting time and money. When you’re healing, every step matters.

Healing the digestive tract requires food that is easy to digest. Many SIBO patients turn to the low-FODMAP diet, or even the specific carbohydrate diet. While these can help reduce digestive symptoms, they are not long-term solutions.

From my own experience, and hundreds of thousands of my readers, I recommend:

Avoid raw foods during the healing phase. Raw produce carries bacteria and is harder to digest when gut motility is impaired.

This approach may feel restrictive at first. But remember, it’s a short-term elimination diet designed to calm your system while you repair the gut microbiome.

I have also written a detailed blog about how to use an Elemental Diet to treat SIBO & IBS

When it comes to clearing harmful bacteria, herbal antimicrobials can be as effective as pharmaceuticals—with fewer side effects.

In clinical trials, herbal supplements performed just as well as rifaximin in SIBO patients. For many, this is encouraging news.

A healthy migrating motor complex (MMC) keeps food moving through the digestive tract. When motility slows, food stagnates and bacteria multiply.

Common causes of slow motility include:

Supporting healthy motility means:

Without normalizing motility, SIBO often comes back even after strict diets or herbal therapy.

Because of malabsorption, many SIBO patients suffer from nutrient deficiencies.

Correcting these deficiencies, using a therapeutic nutrient blend like MultiAbsorb Daily Essential, along with crucial minerals like Bone Matrix, is part of restoring long-term balance.

The gut is often called the “second brain.” Many with SIBO also report anxiety, depression, and stress.

That’s because the gut produces neurotransmitters like serotonin. When the microbiome is disrupted, your mood can spiral.

This is why I created free tools for you, like:

Stress management techniques are not optional. They are central to healing. Without addressing stress, the digestive system cannot recover fully.

While tests like the SIBO breath test or stool test can be useful, they are not the ultimate measure of healing.

In one study, 70% of patients reported major symptom relief, even though their breath tests remained abnormal.

That’s why I encourage you: don’t let a lab result override your body’s signals. Listen to your symptoms. Trust how your body feels.

Based on decades of experience, here’s a summary protocol for natural SIBO treatment:

After decades of working in natural healing, one truth stands out: the body can heal itself when given the right tools.

SIBO is not a life sentence. By addressing the root cause, nourishing the digestive tract, using a good mind/body therapy, and restoring balance with herbal treatments, probiotics, and dietary changes, you can move from chronic symptoms to lasting health.

If you’d like more guidance, watch or listen to the full podcast episode with Natasha above.

And remember: listen to your gut. It always knows the way.

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The family environment plays a critical role in a child’s emotional and physical health. When a child develops a chronic illness, such as Crohn’s disease, the roots often go deeper than physical symptoms.

In a recent interview, Jini Patel Thompson, founder of Listen to Your Gut, shared her insights with Joanna Bishop from the Living Free with IBD podcast, on how family dynamics affect childhood disease. She explained how emotional support, open communication, and secure attachment within the family unit can significantly influence healing and well-being for our children.

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Jini shares her diagnosis with Crohn’s disease over 20 years ago and her decision to pursue a holistic healing path after conventional treatments proved ineffective. Her commitment to exploring mind, body, and spirit has kept her drug and surgery-free.

Jini discusses the importance of trusting one’s body and inner wisdom as a pathway to healing. Her online community, “Listen to Your Gut,” serves as a support network for individuals seeking natural healing methods.

The episode delves into various holistic practices, including meditation and visualization, and their role in managing gut health. Jini emphasizes the significance of addressing emotional and spiritual aspects of health.

Jini highlights the importance of educating oneself about natural remedies and building a personal “toolbox” for health. She shares resources available on her website, which offer free access to effective treatment protocols.

The conversation touches on how parents can support their children with chronic illnesses by being mindful of language and fostering a positive environment. Jini advises parents to work on their own well-being to positively influence their children’s health journeys.

Jini discussed the idea that chronic illnesses may sometimes be linked to emotional needs and unresolved patterns within the family. She suggested that soul agreements or karmic contracts could be in place, where a child chooses to experience illness as a way to bring transformation within the family unit.

For example, a child might develop a chronic condition to divert attention from parental conflict, acting as a catalyst for change. This can create a temporary supportive environment, allowing parents to focus on caregiving rather than their differences.

Over time, the child’s illness may lead to deeper conversations, improved emotional support, and a chance for family healing.

These deeper emotional and spiritual patterns can be challenging to identify. However, looking into past experiences, unresolved trauma, and family history may offer clues. Some families find clarity through meditation, journaling, or working with energetic practitioners who specialize in past life regression or soul retrieval.

Parents play a crucial role in a child’s healing. A parent’s nervous system can directly influence the child’s. When a parent is calm and centered, it creates a sense of safety for the child.

In contrast, a wired, anxious parent may unknowingly heighten the child’s emotional distress. Jini emphasized the importance of self-work for parents. By regulating their own emotional states, they provide a healthier emotional landscape for the child to recover.

Children often adapt their behavior to balance the emotional energy of the family. For example, a young child may become more grounded if the parent is overly anxious, acting as a stabilizing force.

While this may help the family function, it can have negative consequences on the child’s emotional well-being if it persists over time.

Authoritative parenting that combines high expectations with emotional support tends to be more effective. It allows the child to feel secure while maintaining a structure that encourages responsibility.

Families dealing with chronic illness benefit from a balance of boundaries and open communication. Emotional needs must be acknowledged and met with compassion.

For children who resist traditional meditative practices, creative expression can serve as a bridge to emotional healing. Drawing, painting, and storytelling can allow children to access their inner world.

Jini shared techniques like using the non-dominant hand to draw symptoms or feelings, helping bypass the logical brain and access deeper emotional messages. These practices can improve emotional expression and help children process their experiences.

When children are encouraged to explore their inner feelings through art or storytelling, they often reveal deeper emotional truths. These activities offer a non-threatening way to open dialogue about fears, worries, or physical pain. Over time, children become more aware of how emotions affect their physical health.

This type of communication helps build social skills and increases their emotional resilience.

Jini also talked about surrogate tapping, where a parent performs tapping for the child. This can be effective even if the child is not physically present. While temporary surrogate tapping may provide relief, Jini encouraged involving the child in the process to foster self-awareness and resilience.

Energy work, including tapping and soul retrieval, can support healing when done with skilled practitioners. Choosing practitioners carefully is essential, especially for young people. A parent should first evaluate the practitioner to ensure the environment is safe and supportive.

In some cases, children respond better when parents model the process. Parents can attend sessions first, then introduce their child gradually. This approach helps create a sense of safety. It also demonstrates the importance of self-care, which children are more likely to emulate.

Language shapes a child’s perception of their illness. Jini advised avoiding medical labels in daily conversations. Instead of focusing on terms like “Crohn’s disease” or “chronic illness,” parents can shift to language that centers the child’s body wisdom: “What is your body saying today?” This creates space for open communication and emotional support without letting the illness define the child’s identity.

By not allowing the condition to dominate conversations, the child can engage more fully in their social life and develop healthy relationships. Emotional needs can be met in a way that promotes a balanced self-view, not one rooted in victimhood.

This shift in language supports emotional well-being and helps build high self-esteem. Children who see themselves as whole and capable—even while facing challenges—are more likely to succeed in other areas of life. This includes academics, friendships, and future independence.

Chronic illnesses affect more than just the diagnosed child. Sibling relationships, marital dynamics, and even extended family roles may shift. This can result in behavioral problems, sibling rivalry, or emotional distress across the family.

Family therapy can be a powerful tool in these situations. It allows each family member to share their feelings, learn effective communication, and rebuild trust. The presence of an impartial professional can ease the emotional load and help uncover patterns of interactions that may be contributing to stress.

In some families, physical abuse, substance abuse, or domestic violence may have created an environment of emotional suppression. Addressing these issues directly can improve the overall family dynamic. A safe, open dialogue is essential to begin this healing process.

Navigating the clinical setting with a child who has a chronic health condition can be overwhelming. Many medical professionals focus primarily on symptoms and medications.

There is often a lack of attention to the emotional and relational aspects of healing. Jini emphasized the importance of informed decision-making and resisting fear-based pressure from the medical community.

Families should be encouraged to seek medical care that aligns with their values. This includes considering complementary methods that support both emotional and physical health. Family therapy and holistic practices can work alongside traditional care to address the full spectrum of needs.

Unfortunately, finding holistic-minded practitioners can be difficult, especially in pediatric care. Legal concerns, insurance restrictions, and institutional policies often limit what doctors can recommend.

Still, families can advocate for themselves by requesting second opinions, researching natural therapies, and seeking out professionals who respect their choices.

Jini shared stories from her personal life and those of her readers. These included examples where illness served a larger purpose in the family dynamic. In one case, a child’s severe condition helped parents avoid divorce, allowing the family unit to remain intact.

Another story involved a medical doctor using Jini’s protocols to heal a stricture and avoid surgery. Despite professional limitations, the doctor acknowledged the effectiveness of holistic care, though he could not openly share it with patients. These examples illustrate both the positive effects of a supportive environment and the negative effects of a purely symptom-focused medical model.

Real-life stories provide hope and inspiration. They show that change is possible, healing is real, and families can emerge stronger. These stories encourage open communication, emotional honesty, and the courage to explore unconventional healing paths.

Jini stressed the need for families to educate themselves. Understanding the emotional roots of illness and the importance of open communication can lead to better outcomes. A strong foundation of family support and effective communication can serve as a powerful tool in managing chronic disease.

Parents must learn to recognize unhealthy family dynamics, whether they stem from physical abuse, poor communication, or high expectations. By doing their own emotional work, parents model resilience and become role models for healthy emotional expression.

Resources such as books, online forums, podcasts, and community support groups can provide additional tools. Knowledge reduces fear and builds confidence. When parents feel empowered, they make better decisions and help their children thrive.

The impact of family dynamics on childhood disease is profound. Emotional support, secure attachment, and open dialogue within the family unit can aid physical healing and improve quality of life. While chronic illnesses like IBD are complex and challenging, they also offer an opportunity for growth and transformation.

Families who embrace this opportunity, commit to self-healing, and support their children emotionally can change not only their immediate circumstances but also the long-term patterns that affect future generations. Creating a supportive environment, improving social skills, and maintaining healthy family interactions are key elements in this journey.

By listening to your gut and your heart, the path to healing becomes clearer for both child and parent alike. Through knowledge, compassion, and courage, families can navigate chronic illness with strength and grace.

As someone who has been helping people with digestive health for decades, I’ve seen trends come and go. One that has persisted is stool testing — also called fecal testing or gut microbiome testing.

Many functional medicine practitioners, naturopaths, and even conventional doctors recommend it. The idea sounds appealing: send in a small stool sample and get a detailed report on your gut flora. Supposedly, it reveals the root cause of your digestive issues and guides you to the right treatment.

But after decades of helping people heal themselves from Crohn’s, colitis, IBS and SIBO, I can tell you that stool testing is often not worth the hype or the cost.

In this article, I’ll explain why, drawing on my own experience, along with the wisdom of my friend and colleague, Natasha Trenev, founder of Natren Probiotics.

If you’d like to hear our full discussion in detail, here’s the complete video of our conversation:

OR you can listen to the podcast version:

Timestamps:

00:00 – Podcast intro & guest welcome

Comprehensive stool tests, sometimes called comprehensive stool analysis claim to measure:

Some even suggest they can assess the overall health of your microbiome and predict your immune response.

When you’re dealing with bloating, chronic diarrhea, constipation, abdominal pain, or other digestive symptoms, you want answers.

A stool test seems like a simple way to check your gut microbiota. You imagine taking the results to your healthcare provider and getting a targeted action plan.

For people with inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), ulcerative colitis, Crohn’s disease, or suspected gut inflammation, it sounds like an essential diagnostic to have.

Natasha has spent over 60 years in the probiotic industry, working with top gastroenterologists, immunologists, and other medical specialists. She has reviewed thousands of research papers on gut microbiota, probiotics, and microbiome tests.

In her experience, stool testing has serious limitations.

Let’s look at them…

A stool test captures microbial activity at one moment in time. Gut microbes can shift dramatically up to 60% in just 24 hours. Your results today may look very different tomorrow.

Your digestive tract is about 27 feet long. Stool forms in the colon; just 9 feet of that length. Many important microbes live in the small intestine or along the gut lining, which stool tests can’t measure accurately. Your colon naturally contains 3-4 lbs of microbes at any time.

Finding pathogenic bacteria in a stool sample does not mean they are causing your digestive issues. Some harmful bacteria can live quietly if kept in check by good gut bacteria.

Comprehensive stool tests cost anywhere from $400 to $1,500. In most cases, the treatment plan would be the same regardless of the results: remove harmful bacteria, repopulate with good bacteria, make dietary changes, and heal the gut lining.

There are times when stool testing can be helpful:

Outside of these situations, Natasha and I usually recommend saving your money and focusing on restoring digestive health directly.

Your gut microbiome affects:

When your gut microbiota is imbalanced – a condition known as dysbiosis – you may experience digestive problems, chronic diseases, and immune dysfunction.

Pathogenic bacteria can:

Some supplements contain soil-based organisms. These microbes evolved to live in soil, not in the human digestive system. They survive harsh environments by forming spores. While this makes them shelf-stable, it also makes them aggressive. Long-term safety in humans is unknown. Natasha has repeatedly refused to include these in the Natren brand because they are not proven safe.

Wild oregano oil and olive leaf extract can target harmful bacteria, yeast, and fungi. You don’t need a blood test or stool test to confirm the exact pathogen before starting these.

Garlic, grapeseed extract, and hydrogen peroxide are also effective pathogen-killers, but they don’t tend to be well-tolerated by people with IBD.

For a stubborn, or parasitic infection, use my Quad Synergy protocol.

Natasha formulated Natren’s Healthy Trinity — a trio of well-researched, human-native probiotics:

These strains have been studied for over 100 years and have decades of proven safety in humans.

Over and over, Natasha and I see clients spend hundreds on gut microbiome testing only to be told they have dysbiosis or an overgrowth of some bacteria. The treatment? Broad-spectrum antimicrobials and probiotics — exactly what we recommend without the expensive test.

We’ve both helped people recover from severe IBS, IBD, and chronic diarrhea without ever doing a stool test. The same principles apply whether the gut flora is missing bifidobacterium species (for example) or is overrun with pathogenic bacteria.

Seek immediate help if you experience:

These could signal colon cancer, severe infection, or another urgent health condition.

Healthy digestion is the foundation of overall health. The digestive tract plays a crucial role in your immune system, nervous system, and mood. Comprehensive stool analysis can have its place, but for most people, investing in proven gut-healing strategies — safe probiotics, dietary changes, and lifestyle adjustments — delivers better results.

As Natasha and I have seen time and again, you don’t need expensive microbiome tests to start healing. You need consistent, safe, and well-researched tools to rebuild the health of your microbiome for life.

Natasha Trenev, Founder of Natren Probiotics and 750-year lineage yogurt-maker to royalty, and I (natural gut health expert, Jini Patel Thompson), discuss claims and interpretations made in this video with Dr. Sean Spencer, gastroenterologist.

Together, we address controversial statements about probiotic supplements being harmful, possibly even fatal, and unpack the misinformation and lack of scientific understanding surrounding probiotics today.



We looked at the benefits of fermented foods. These foods appeared to support microbial diversity and help lower inflammation. There was discussion around whether the benefits came from the bacteria, their metabolites, or the fiber in the food.

We questioned the effectiveness of probiotic supplements in pill form. It was suggested that these might not work as well as fermented foods, which naturally help improve the microbiome and reduce inflammation markers.

The way clinical trials are designed was brought up. Many trials may not be run by people who understand how live bacteria function. It was noted that we still do not have a clear definition of what a healthy microbiome looks like.

Misinformation around probiotics is a big concern. There is still a lack of science-backed information available to the public. We talked about the need for better education on how probiotics work and their limits.

Manufacturing practices were also discussed. Natasha described her method of freeze-drying probiotics along with their natural metabolites. This approach is rare in the industry but may lead to better results.

This episode looked closely at how probiotics and fermented foods impact gut health. We challenged a number of common ideas and pointed out gaps in science and industry practices. More awareness and better standards are needed moving forward.

Probiotic supplements contain live microorganisms. These are often called good bacteria or beneficial microbes. These supplements aim to support digestive health and overall human health.

Most probiotic products include strains of Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium. These probiotic strains are meant to help balance gut bacteria. They are also believed to assist in preventing digestive issues and inflammatory bowel disease.

Some supplements claim to help with weight loss, irritable bowel syndrome, and regular bowel movements. However, the actual health benefits depend on the quality of the product and the condition of the person using it.

The dietary supplement industry does not follow strict regulations. There are no clear standards for probiotic supplementation. Many products include multiple species in one capsule. These species may compete with each other. They may release natural antimicrobials to survive, weakening the entire blend.

According to Natasha, even well-known probiotic products often fail to meet scientific quality. Her probiotic labeling standard was read into the U.S. Congressional Record. Still, most companies ignore it. This leads to poor quality control and unverified claims.

Live bacteria must survive storage, transport, and digestion. Many supplements do not ensure this. The number of colony-forming units (CFUs) listed on the label only shows how many bacteria were present at the time of packaging. By the time the capsule reaches the digestive tract, most may be dead.

These capsules must pass through stomach acid and bile. Without protection, even beneficial bacteria cannot survive. A product may list 90 billion CFUs but deliver none to the intestinal tract.

Using probiotics can cause problems in people with a weakened immune system. For example, premature infants or those using central venous catheters face higher risks. In such cases, live microorganisms may cause infections. Allergic reactions have also been reported.

For people with serious medical conditions, probiotic supplementation must be approached with caution. Healthcare providers should evaluate each case before recommending any probiotic product.

Many clinical trials use stool samples to analyze the gut microbiome. However, this only reflects bacteria in the large intestine. It does not show what happens in the small intestine, which is key for digestion.

Some trials use mice to study probiotic effects. But the gut bacteria in mice are very different from humans. Lab mice have poor gut health. These differences make the results unreliable.

One study claimed that probiotics impaired recovery of the gut microbiome after antibiotic use. Yet, it compared results to fecal transplants using the patient’s own stool. This ignored whether their pre-antibiotic gut was healthy in the first place.

Some say fermented foods are a better option. Fermented foods like yogurt, kimchi, and sauerkraut do contain probiotic bacteria. They can support digestive health and immune function. But Natasha raised several concerns.

Many people ferment foods at home without proper methods. Some just add salt, not live cultures. There are no standards. Harmful bacteria or yeast infections may occur.

Also, some fermented foods contain bacteria like Lactobacillus plantarum. This strain may harm bifidobacteria, which are essential for gut health. So not all fermented foods offer the same beneficial effects.

Many probiotic products are made by third-party manufacturers. Brands do not always research, formulate, or test their own products. This leads to poor quality control. Without a vertically integrated process, the survival of active cultures cannot be guaranteed.

Few companies preserve the intrinsic supernatant—beneficial metabolites created during fermentation. Natasha’s company, Natren, is one of the few that freeze-dries bacteria with these metabolites.

Healthy individuals may benefit from probiotics. But only if the probiotic strains are well-researched and the product is of high quality. These people are less likely to experience side effects.

People with digestive problems may try probiotic supplements. Conditions like irritable bowel syndrome, ulcerative colitis, or lactose intolerance may respond well to the right probiotics.

Still, every individual has a unique gut bacteria composition. The same supplement may have different effects on different people.

Before starting any daily probiotic supplement, talk to your doctor. This is especially important if you have any health issues or are taking other medications. Only a health professional can assess the safety of probiotics in your situation.

Probiotic supplements are not all the same. Many do not offer the health benefits they claim. Some may even be harmful. It is important to understand how probiotics work. Choose products made with care. Consult a healthcare provider to make sure they are safe for you.

Gut health is essential to overall wellness. But restoring a healthy gut microbiome is complex. Use probiotics wisely and make informed choices.

In this episode of the Listen To Your Gut podcast, I spoke with probiotic pioneer Natasha Trenev about a deeply concerning topic: microplastic particles in the human body and their effect on our health.

We’ve talked about many issues over the years, but this one has shocked us! The presence of microplastics in food, water, and the human bloodstream is not just a trend or headline. It is a crisis that affects the digestive system, the immune system, and every part of the body.

You can watch the video of our discussion:

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Recent studies have found microplastic particles in almost every part of the human body. These include the brain, liver, kidneys, and even the placenta and breast milk.

One study tested 23 men and 47 dogs. Every testicle examined had microplastic particles inside. That level of contamination shocked me.

Another recent study reported that 4 out of 45 people had toxic levels of microplastics in their blood.

Researchers at Harvard found that if microplastics are in your blood, your risk of heart attack or stroke increases by 450%. These tiny particles can even cross the blood-brain barrier.

Natasha added that this is a serious concern. The biological systems of the body are constantly working, every second. Anything the body cannot digest, utilize, or eliminate will irritate or disrupt those processes.

Microplastics are foreign to the human body. They are not meant to be there.

Natasha reminded me that this problem is not new. She spoke out over 50 years ago against the use of plastic in health food stores. No one listened then. Now, the plastic waste floating in the Pacific Ocean is said to be the size of the state of Texas.

That plastic waste breaks down into microplastic particles. These particles are then found in bottled water, plastic packaging, and even our food supply.

Microplastics are also entering the food chain through marine life. Fish like catfish and shellfish are filter feeders. They consume what’s at the bottom of the ocean, where microplastics settle.

When we eat those animals, we take in those plastic particles too. This affects our digestive system and our immune system in ways we are just beginning to understand.

Even salt is affected. Ocean salt, such as sea salt or Celtic sea salt, comes from evaporated seawater. That water may contain nanosized plastic particles. So those particles are left behind in the salt crystals.

That’s why I now use only salt that comes from underground, ancient deposits that have not been exposed to microplastic pollution.

We also talked about bottled water. Natasha and I both avoid drinking from plastic bottles. Even when water is cold, the chemicals from plastic can leach into the water. And our bodies absorb liquids faster than solids, which increases the risk. I buy water that comes in glass bottles, both for home and on the go. Natasha does the same.

Plastic packaging is another major source of exposure. Natasha made the decision years ago to package her Natren probiotics in dark amber glass bottles with tin lids. She refuses to use plastic containers or plastic lids.

She explained that tin lids offer the best protection for probiotics and prevent any interaction with the product. This level of commitment is rare.

Most companies choose plastic packaging because it is cheaper and lighter. But that choice comes at a cost to health. And many people don’t realize the impact plastic packaging has on the contents inside.

We have to be more mindful of what we buy and how it’s packaged.

Microwaving food in plastic containers is a dangerous practice. Natasha and I discussed how heat causes the plastic to release toxic chemicals. Microwaves heat food from the inside out. This method of heating is not natural and was never tested over long periods.

Back in 1968, when microwaves were first installed at UCLA, many students refused to use them. They didn’t trust them. And now we know why. Heating plastic containers in the microwave causes chemical bonds to break.

That releases toxic chemicals like bisphenol A and other endocrine-disrupting chemicals.

I encourage people to use a toaster oven instead. Get one that is stainless steel or ceramic-coated. Do not use anything with nonstick coatings like Teflon.

And always use glass or ceramic containers for heating food. That small switch can reduce your microplastic exposure significantly.

Related: Alternatives To Teflon Frying Pans

Our gut microbiome is under attack. Microplastic particles can damage the gastrointestinal tract. They interfere with communication between neurotransmitters and may even block or irritate cell walls.

Natasha emphasized that we now live in an environment where probiotics are not optional. They are necessary.

Probiotics help maintain balance in the digestive system. But not all probiotics are equal. Natasha warns that many companies sell generic strains without understanding the precise species or how they behave in the human gut. These are living organisms. They need the right environment to thrive.

Natren remains the only vertically integrated probiotic manufacturer in North America and the EU. That means they control the entire production process from strain to shelf. Natasha insists on using only what is scientifically supported.

This level of detail matters. Especially now, when the food system, water sources, and environment are all contaminated.

Natasha pointed out that our health crisis goes far beyond just microplastic particles. The air we breathe is also polluted. Here in British Columbia, we’ve seen the effects of wildfires.

The smoke fills our lungs, our eyes burn, and we run expensive air filters just to breathe indoors. This pollution impacts our immune system and our microbiome.

In the U.S., 80% of people are chronically ill. Yet Americans make up only 4% of the world population, while consuming 75% of the world’s pharmaceuticals. That’s a staggering statistic. It shows that the health problems are not isolated. They are systemic.

Much of the problem is caused by short-sighted solutions. A new product comes out with fancy marketing, promising to fix digestion or detox the body. But people don’t realize that some of these colon cleanses and parasite cleanses strip the intestinal wall. And nothing is put back.

So what can we do? Here are the changes I’ve made, and that Natasha recommends:

I wish we did not have to think about microplastic exposure in this much detail. But we do. This is the world we live in. Natasha said it best: “If we want to talk about loving the environment, the first place we need to start is by reducing our own plastic use.”

That is why I invite everyone to make informed choices. Start by avoiding plastic where you can. Look at your water sources, your food packaging, and even your cookware. Every small change makes a difference.

This isn’t fear-mongering. It’s just the reality of the modern world. The health effects of microplastics are serious. They affect the digestive system, the immune system, the heart, the brain, and even the blood.

We cannot control everything. But we can control what we bring into our homes and into our bodies. Let’s start there.

This blog post is based on a podcast episode featuring Jini Patel Thompson, international best-selling author and founder of Listen To Your Gut, and Natasha Trenev, founder of Natren probiotics.

In their discussion, they explore the dangers of soil-based organisms (SBOs) and why they should not be considered true probiotics.

You can either watch the video:

Or listen to the podcast:

Many people believe that soil-based organisms (SBOs) are probiotics.

This belief has spread widely. It is even promoted by many supplement companies. But this idea is not supported by science. Soil-based organisms are not the same as regular probiotics.

In fact, they can be harmful to your gut and overall health.

In this article, we will explain why SBO probiotics should not be used as a replacement for traditional probiotic supplements.

You will learn about the differences between beneficial bacteria and harmful bacteria.

We will also look at the risks involved with taking soil-based probiotics.

Soil-based organisms are bacteria found in the soil. They belong to the bacillus genus. One common type is Bacillus subtilis. These bacteria can form spores. This spore coat allows them to survive in harsh environments. They can even survive high temperatures, such as 400° Fahrenheit.

Because of this, many companies promote them as probiotic supplements. They claim that SBOs support gut health. But this claim is not backed by long-term human studies. The truth is that soil-based probiotics are different from beneficial bacteria that live in the human gut.

Traditional probiotics include species like lactobacillus and bifidobacteria. These probiotic strains have been used for decades. They help maintain a healthy microbiome in the digestive tract.

These beneficial bacteria support the immune system. They also help prevent the growth of bad bacteria in the small intestine and large intestine.

These bacteria are supported by clinical trials and human studies. They help with conditions like irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and ulcerative colitis.

SBO supplements introduce foreign bacteria into the digestive system.

These bacillus strains have not evolved inside the human gut. They have not developed a beneficial relationship with the human microbiome. Some experts believe these organisms are too aggressive.

Natasha Trenev explains that these bacteria are “opportunistic” and their only goal is to multiply. She says, “They are pleomorphic. They can drop their cell wall and turn into other forms. They’re not stable, and they’re not safe.”

Soil-based bacteria compete with fungi and molds in the soil. To survive, they must be strong.

This strong nature may make them dangerous in the human digestive tract. They can kill both good and bad bacteria. This can lead to long-term side effects.

They can also remain dormant in the gut. Their spores lie in wait.

If the immune system weakens, these spores can activate. This could lead to health problems years later. Because these side effects are delayed, most people do not link their health issues to SBO supplements.

The FDA has allowed these products to be sold. But many experts are surprised by this. Soil-based probiotics have not gone through long-term human safety tests. Most companies self-approve their products without proper clinical trials. This lack of regulation puts your digestive health at risk.

Jini Patel Thompson recalls, “I blogged about it and the CEO of a major company reached out. I asked for 20 years of human safety studies. He sent me nothing and I never heard from him again.” That alone raises serious concerns about the legitimacy and safety of these products.

Soil-based organisms are not generally recognized as safe for everyone. People with autoimmune diseases or compromised immune systems should be especially careful. Using SBO supplements in these cases can make things worse.

Some cultures use Bacillus subtilis in foods like natto. This is a fermented soybean dish from Japan. But the way it is eaten is very different from taking a capsule with billions of spores. A single serving of natto may be shared by many people. It is eaten occasionally, not daily.

Jini, who lived in Japan for two years, explains, “It stinks. It’s slimy. People eat one tiny portion occasionally. That’s not the same as taking capsules daily.”

In these cultures, the microbiome has adapted over generations. Their digestive systems can handle this specific species of bacteria. But the American gut microbiome has not developed the same tolerance.

Taking high doses of soil-based bacteria daily is not the same as eating traditional probiotic foods.

Many companies market soil-based probiotics as miracle supplements. They promise quick results.

They say SBOs will cure your gut issues, boost your immune system, and restore your healthy gut. But this is not supported by real science.

Some practitioners even recommend these supplements. They say that SBOs work when nothing else does. But just because something works short-term does not mean it is safe.

Killing candida or bad bacteria quickly might feel good. But what happens to your healthy microbiome in the long run?

As Natasha points out, “The stronger the organism is, the more questionable its use in the body is.”

If you want to support gut health, use regular probiotics. Choose strains that have been studied in clinical trials. Look for products with lactobacillus and bifidobacteria. These strains have a history of safe use in the human gut.

Also, support your digestive system with natural supplements. Wild oregano oil and elemental diet shakes are helpful. They can support the immune system and reduce inflammation. Probiotic foods are also a great addition to your diet. Fermented foods offer a natural way to build a healthy microbiome.

Soil-based organisms are not real probiotics. They are not part of the natural human gut microbiome. They have not been proven safe through long-term human studies. SBO supplements can disrupt the delicate balance of your digestive tract. They may lead to unknown side effects.

Jini and Natasha’s discussion highlights the dangers of blindly trusting supplement marketing. Natasha reminds us, “This is not a marketing argument. This is a scientific argument.”

Always choose well-researched, traditional probiotics. Your gut health is too important to risk. Do not fall for marketing claims. Understand the science. Listen to your gut.

Your body is wise. It can heal. But it needs the right support. Use proven probiotic supplements. Avoid risky SBO products. Choose health with knowledge and care.

This blog is based on a detailed conversation between Jini Patel Thompson (Founder: Listen to Your Gut) and Natasha Trenev (Founder: Natren Probiotics). They discussed the deep damage caused by GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic, including effects on the digestive system, muscle and bone loss, and mental health.



Their insights highlight what people need to know and do if they are using or stopping these drugs.

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Ozempic is part of a class of drugs known as GLP-1 receptor agonists.

It was developed to help with blood sugar control in people with type 2 diabetes.

GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic mimic a natural hormone that helps regulate blood glucose levels and feelings of fullness. These GLP-1 medications slow gastric emptying and lower blood sugar levels.

Over time, Ozempic became a popular weight loss drug. For weight loss, a higher dose is used.

But this increased dose brings many potential side effects. Recent reports and clinical trials have shown that these GLP-1 agonists can cause serious damage to the digestive system.

The drug paralyzes stomach muscles. This condition is called stomach paralysis or gastroparesis. When the movement of food is stopped or slowed too much, it can lead to a backup of food in the stomach.

This undigested food can rot and cause nausea, bloating, and stomach pain. Gastrointestinal side effects become more common as drug administration continues.

The digestive tract is meant to move food smoothly from the stomach to the intestines. Ozempic disrupts this natural process. This leads to problems throughout the gastrointestinal tract.

In some cases, bowel obstructions and intestinal blockage have been reported. This can cause abdominal pain, constipation, and loss of appetite.

The gut microbiome includes trillions of gut bacteria. These bacteria help digest food, support immune function, and influence mood. GLP-1 receptor agonists can disrupt this balance.

When food remains undigested, it becomes fuel for harmful bacteria. This shift in gut microbiota affects overall gut health and digestive health.

Gut health is linked to brain health through the gut-brain axis. The gut produces neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine. These chemicals regulate mood and emotions.

When the microbiome is damaged, production of these feel-good chemicals drops. This can lead to depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts.

Social media has even coined terms like “Ozempic face” and “Ozempic butt” to describe the visible effects of extreme weight loss caused by these popular drugs.

GLP-1 drugs can reduce body weight by cutting muscle and bone mass. After stopping the drug, people often regain fat but not muscle or bone. This can increase the risk of falling and lead to long-term health problems.

Healthy bone and muscle are essential for metabolic health and overall health.

There are many potential risks linked to GLP-1 medications:

The Mayo Clinic and University of British Columbia have studied these effects. Drug makers like Novo Nordisk are aware of the issues, but wide use of these drugs continues.

Yes, healing the digestive system is possible. The first step is to gradually stop taking the drug with the guidance of a healthcare provider. You cannot quit Ozempic cold turkey as it can cause severe rebound effects and dangerous blood sugar spikes. Simultaneously, support the body’s natural healing process. A probiotic protocol can help restore the gut microbiome.

This plan helps digestion, rebuilds gut bacteria, and supports bone and muscle health. Adding probiotic-rich foods and avoiding processed, glyphosate-laden food can also improve results.

Each person reacts differently to GLP-1 drugs. The majority of patients may need a custom plan. Some people experience a detox reaction (Herxheimer effect) when starting probiotics.

For those with chronic stress or autoimmune conditions, it’s best to start slow. A quarter dose may be enough at first.

Speak with a knowledgeable consultant for guidance. Drug administration must be managed carefully to avoid worsening symptoms. Timely medical attention is needed for serious side effects.

The wide use of these drugs shows a deeper issue. People want quick fixes. But weight gain is often caused by poor food quality, low nutrient intake, and emotional pain. Many take GLP-1 medications hoping for fast results. They are not warned about the increased risk of serious medical conditions.

Companies focus on profits, not healing. Legacy health brands offer education and individual support. They believe in helping the body heal itself. Newer brands often copy pharmaceutical models and treat symptoms only.

GLP-1 receptor agonists like Ozempic can severely harm gut health and the digestive tract. These drugs cause a range of gastrointestinal side effects, affect the gut microbiome, and may lead to irreversible damage.

Recovery is possible, but it requires the right supplements, a custom plan, and expert support. Use proven supplements like Natren probiotics, Bone Matrix for bone density loss, and Absorb Plus for muscle wasting.

Do not wait for serious problems. Start healing your gut today with safe, effective methods.