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Most people think they communicate well. Most people think they’re emotionally intelligent. But according to SEL expert Lori Woodley, mother of Shailene Woodley, we’re getting the most important human skill completely wrong.

In this powerful conversation, Mark Divine sits with nationally recognized SEL leader and author Lori Woodley Langendorff to explore why emotional literacy is collapsing inside homes, schools, and workplaces—and how we can rebuild the skills that actually create resilient kids, stronger families, and healthier communities.

From redefining accountability, to breaking the habit of taking everything personally, to shifting from blame to responsibility, Lori reveals the six SEL muscles that determine how we relate, communicate, and lead.

This episode unpacks the real emotional crisis behind student behavior, teacher burnout, parental overwhelm, and the widening disconnect between generations.

If you’re a parent, educator, leader, or someone who wants to build deeper connection and stronger relationships, this conversation will change the way you listen, respond, and lead.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

-Why emotional literacy is declining and how to rebuild it

-Why “quit taking it personal” is the foundational SEL muscle

-How reframing with “I statements” shifts you from victimhood to accountability

-Why storytelling and vulnerability improve connection

-How to model emotional intelligence at home and at work

-How schools, parents, and leaders can restore resilience in the next generation

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