Scaling with Meta ads isn’t as simple as running purchase conversion campaigns anymore and as the platform evolves, marketers need new strategies to drive true incremental growth. Many brands are ealizing that Meta’s algorithm has shifted towards targeting people already in-market, making it harder to reach truly new customers at scale, leading to rising costs and diminishing returns.

In this episode of Marketing Operators, we break down why optimizing solely for purchase conversions might be limiting your ability to scale. We discuss the challenge of balancing incrementality and efficiency, how holdout tests reveal the real impact of Meta spend, and why some brands are shifting towards View Content optimization to expand their reach.

We also explore whether brands at different revenue stages should be experimenting with non-purchase objectives, and how top ecommerce marketers are testing new ad strategies to unlock incremental growth.

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00:00 Introduction and Catch Up

08:22 Navigating the Evolving Landscape of Meta Advertising

18:00 Innovative Strategies for Incremental Marketing Success

35:03 The Shift to Causality in Marketing Measurement

38:31 Testing Creative Diversity and Optimization Strategies

40:57 Incrementality Insights and Budget Allocation

44:38 Understanding the Impact of New Product Launches

51:32 Measuring Incrementality and Revenue Attribution

01:02:19 Strategies for Smaller Brands in Paid Media

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It’s a full house today with Cody back, and we’ve got a jam-packed episode - first up, the Tacovas Ad that’s got the marketing world talking - does brand marketing like this really drive growth? We discuss the line between long-term brand building and immediate performance results, and explore how top DTC brands are navigating that balance. We also get into how product expansion can be a game-changer for scaling, with examples of how brands use category growth to reach wider audiences. We discuss evolving role of AI in marketing SaaS tools, the potential it has for improving creative analysis and decision-making, and why measurement and forecasting are still critical components of successful marketing strategies.

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00:00 Welcome Back Cody

02:11 The Importance of Day-to-Day Tracking

09:09 The Tacovas Gate Discussion

33:29 Preparing for Product Launches

37:47 Strategic Product Launch Planning

46:15 Integrating AI in Marketing Workflows

55:16 The Future of Attribution Models

01:00:20 SaaS Consolidation and Klaviyo's Evolution

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This week, it’s a Connor Special as we’re joined by Connor Dault, VP of Growth & Digital Product at Caraway, to discuss the role of digital product in DTC growth and how it intersects with performance marketing, UX, and conversion. We dive into Caraway’s strategic response to HexClad’s Super Bowl ad, why digital product isn’t just CRO and how Caraway builds high-performing product experiences that go beyond simple A/B testing. Connor also shares insights on balancing data-driven optimization with brand storytelling, how Caraway approaches site navigation and product merchandising, and why many DTC brands still overlook the power of digital product in driving long-term revenue.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

01:22 Connor Dault's Background and Role at Caraway

05:23 Insights from Super Bowl Weekend

10:52 The Evolution of Super Bowl Advertising

17:30 Lessons from Quibi's Super Bowl Experience

33:54 Leveraging Current Events in Marketing

39:02 Building Digital Product Teams

43:50 Balancing Roadmaps and CRO Testing

49:41 Insights from Incrementality Testing

56:15 Common Mistakes in Digital Product Strategy

01:02:33 Inspiration from Successful Brands

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Today, we’re joined by Aaron Paul, founder of Paul Street, to explore how top DTC brands are leveraging affiliate marketing to drive massive growth - and where many go wrong.

Aaron shares his insights from working with leading brands like Onnit, Goli Nutrition, and HelloFresh. We discuss what’s working in affiliate marketing today, why media-buying affiliates aren’t always the right fit (and when they are), and how content-driven publishers now drive the majority of affiliate revenue. We also get into common pitfalls that cause programs to stall along with advice on how to sidestep these mistakes.

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00:00 Introduction

10:07 The Evolution of Affiliate Marketing

20:00 The Role of Affiliates in Brand Growth

29:46 Current Trends in Affiliate Marketing

40:02 Challenges and Best Practices in Affiliate Programs

46:26 Navigating Affiliate Marketing Success

51:50 Identifying and Combating Affiliate Fraud

56:47 The Dynamics of Affiliate Payouts

01:01:50 Building Trust with Affiliates

01:06:56 The Future of Affiliate Marketing and Content Creation

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HexClad just pulled off one of their biggest marketing plays so far - a Super Bowl Ad - but this wasn’t just about airing a commercial during the big game, it was a multi-layered, cross-platform campaign designed to maximize impact beyond a single TV spot.

In this episode, Connor and Connor break down how the HexClad team made it happen, from choosing the right creative concept to executing an omni-channel marketing playbook that extended far beyond game day. They dive into why the company decided to invest in a Super Bowl ad, how they built pre-game buzz through influencers and viral social moments, and what set their approach apart from traditional brand marketing. They also unpack the balance between brand and performance marketing, how they leveraged meme amplification and social storytelling to scale awareness, and how they plan to track success beyond just game-day sales, including search trends, social engagement, and long-term brand impact.

This episode was recorded just a few days before the Super Bowl ad aired—stay tuned for a future episode where Connor shares his first impressions on how it performed.

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00:00 Introduction

02:52 Health and Wellness Trends

06:09 Analytics Tools and Reporting Standards

09:06 Creative Strategies for 2025

12:08 Hexclad's Super Bowl Campaign Overview

14:55 Concept Development and Agency Collaboration

17:48 Execution of the Super Bowl Campaign

21:10 Omni-channel Marketing Strategies

27:03 Engagement and Community Buzz

29:55 Cultural Timing and Relevance

38:48 Emerging Media Measurement Solutions

42:41 Campaign Comparisons and Expectations

50:02 Measuring Super Bowl Campaign Impact

57:24 Revenue Projections and Strategic Planning

01:03:12 Enhancing E-commerce Experience through Bundling

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Today we are joined by a member of the Operators family, Matt Bertulli, CEO of Pela Case and Lomi, to talk all things marketing. Jumping off fromSean Frank’s tweet questioning if meta is still incremental, we get deep into the nuance of paid media and how it’s shifting, the increasing challenges of reaching new customers on Meta, and why the old playbooks don’t work anymore. We also discuss scaling beyond meta and reallocating budget to TV, YouTube and strategic partnerships to drive new customer acquisition, what content tends to make for the best ads, how to measure long-term impact and where performance marketers are getting it wrong, and much more.

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00:00 Introduction

02:52 E-commerce Advertising Trends for 2025

05:51 Navigating the Challenges of Meta Advertising

08:55 The Role of Incrementality in Meta Advertising

11:46 Understanding Meta's Advertising Dynamics

15:12 The Future of Meta Advertising and Brand Strategies

30:29 Understanding Meta's Impact on Marketing Strategies

36:12 The Shift from Purchase to Brand Awareness

42:54 Reevaluating Marketing Objectives in a Changing Landscape

49:49 The Convergence of Content and Advertising

54:30 Exploring Non-Meta Marketing Channels

01:01:08 Understanding Audience Awareness and Engagement

01:04:50 Channel Diversification and Media Mix Strategy

01:10:09 Influencer Marketing as a Scalable Strategy

01:14:57 Evaluating Influencer Partnerships

01:17:51 The Role of Post-Purchase Surveys in Marketing

01:20:45 Creative Collaborations with Influencers

01:23:27 Testing and Optimizing Marketing Strategies

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Today we’re diving into the second part of our hiring series, this time focusing on onboarding and how to set up your new hires for success from day one. We discuss how to get the best out of your new hires as quickly as possible, how to integrate them seamlessly into your team and culture, some common onboarding issues and challenges we’ve experienced, and we break down our strategies, systems and workflows around setting up new hires and empowering them to thrive.

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00:00 Introduction

05:47 Exploring Agenteo: Automating YouTube Creator Sponsorships

09:14 Performance Metrics and Initial Results from YouTube Campaigns

12:06 Understanding CPMs and Influencer Marketing Dynamics

14:52 Navigating Hiring Challenges and Expectations

18:13 Onboarding New Hires: Setting Expectations and Momentum

20:58 Building Relationships and Integrating into Company Culture

23:51 Strategies for Effective Team Collaboration

36:37 Streamlining Project Management and Onboarding

40:14 The Importance of Incrementality Testing

42:10 Balancing Guidance and Autonomy in Hiring

48:22 Collaborative Goal Setting and Performance Management

56:19 Establishing Clear Expectations and Accountability

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This week we’re talking hiring for high-growth ecommerce teams. We’re sharing insights on how to know when to hire, why buying back your time is essential for leadership, org chart design and how it evolves over time, and we share some real-life scenarios and challenges we’ve experienced when growing our teams. If you’re struggling with your team structure, planning your next strategic hire or looking to build out your team effectively as you scale, this one’s for you - and join us next week when we’ll be discussing all things onboarding and how to get the best out of your new hires.

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00:00 Introduction

04:24 New Features in E-commerce Tools

06:28 Hiring Trends and Team Structures

14:06 Rationalizing Hiring Decisions

19:19 Building Organizational Hierarchy

27:14 Cross-Channel Collaboration and Strategy

36:46 Scaling International Marketing Efforts

40:37 Evolving Organizational Structures

45:23 Navigating Hiring and Firing Challenges

53:27 Optimizing Customer Experience and Operations

01:00:16 The Importance of Cultural Fit in Hiring

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Today, we’re diving into one of the most hotly debated topics in performance marketing: creative testing volume. Should you prioritize scaling creative volume or focus on quality? In this episode, we share how we’re approaching creative testing, how our strategies have evolved over time, what we’re budgeting for creative, when more isn’t always better, and the costs of maximizing volume.

We also explore the challenges of producing at scale, what “quality” really means in today’s ad landscape, and how creative strategy evolves as a business grows.

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00:00 Introduction

04:23 Creative Testing Volume: The Debate

10:02 Finding the Right Balance: Volume vs. Quality

14:16 Setting Creative Goals and Deliverables

20:13 The Spectrum of Creative Strategies

24:44 Long-Term Investments in Creative Assets

30:42 Diversity in Content for Non-Cookware Categories

36:15 Strategic Depth in Marketing Approaches

39:01 Navigating Creative Exploration and Product Launches

42:08 Leveraging AI for Customer Experience

51:00 Budgeting for Creative Production

56:59 The Role of AI in Creative Strategy

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In this episode, Cody and Connor dive into the hottest DTC predictions for 2025, discussing everything from the rise and fall of AppLovin to the transformative impact of AI on customer experience and ad creative. They share their thoughts on outsourcing and the shift to global teams, the evolution and consolidation of SaaS tools, strategies for scaling with operational leverage in today’s competitive market and more.

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00:00 Introduction

04:08 AppLovin's Future in Advertising

09:56 Google's Advertising Landscape

18:57 The Impact of AI on Consumer Brands

27:48 Creative Strategies and Tools for 2025

35:15 YouTube Strategies and Incrementality

40:14 E-commerce Labor Market Trends

42:38 Outsourcing and Operational Leverage

45:32 Simplifying Business Models for Efficiency

48:41 Upper Funnel Measurement Innovations

50:17 SaaS Consolidation and Cost Management

53:22 The Future of Omnichannel Commerce

01:06:47 Predictions for 2025 and Beyond

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