Mother's Day is messy. Whether you're a mother, someone waiting to become a mother, a daughter missing her mother, and more - let's file this one under the 'both, and' days, shall we? A day of delight for some and a day of pain for others - sometimes it's both for the very same person. And by that same vein, motherhood is messy.

In this episode, Petra speaks with friends Jax Donaldson and Te Waka McLeod about their journeys as daughters and mothers, and we hear from a few others, including you, our Sunday Sanctuary community, about the feelings Mother's Day brings up.

Ngā mihi nui, e hoa mā.