On this episode of The Dirt Trail Running Podcast, Coaches Loretta and Lindsay sit down with special guest Coach Madeline Harms—developmental psychologist, professor, and running coach—to dive into the mental side of racing and training.

We unpack what it means to “choke” during a race, how panic attacks can derail even the best preparation, and the difference between process goals and outcome goals. Coach Madeline shares strategies for reflection, using visualization, and finding the courage to toe the starting line again after setbacks.

We also explore the pressure athletes face from social media and how it affects runners at all levels—not just elites. Whether you're chasing a PR or just trying to finish, this episode is packed with practical takeaways to strengthen your mental game and find joy in the process.