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In this episode, Jeff sits down with counselor Ben from Los Angeles for a live Enneagram mistyping session—could he be a principled One, a justice-driven Eight, or an analytical Five?

From his early years in LA to a career in corrections and counseling, Ben shares stories of resilience, accountability, and the ongoing work of channeling anger into growth.

Along the way, we highlight how Ones and Eights approach clarity, control, and problem-solving differently, giving listeners a front-row seat to the art of discerning type through real conversation.