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Viv Read of Complexability joins us from Brisbane, Australia! We talk about complexity, sensemaking, and co-creating value for clients and customers – even in times of crisis and upheaval!

Viv has extensive experience as a manager and consultant in systems change, stakeholder engagement, culture change, and strategy and innovation. Building on expertise developed in major workplace reform projects for organizations such as Lend Lease, Carlton United Breweries, Department of Employment.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

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Erik Schön is an executive and strategist who has successfully developed and deployed strategy for over 20 years in small, medium and large organizations. From hacker, software researcher and system engineer to leader, executive and strategizer, Erik is leading global organisations in complex product and service development. He is the author of The Art of Strategy - Steps Towards Business Agility and The Art of Leadership - Purpose and Integrity for Sustainable Success in Turbulent Times, both published by Yokoso Press.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Previously, he was senior foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas. Aaron served on active duty as a U.S. Marine for seven years, deploying to Afghanistan as an infantry officer in 2009–2010. Following his time in the operating forces, he was assigned to the faculty of the U.S. Naval Academy, where he was the 2013 recipient of the Apgar Award for Excellence in Teaching. Aaron received a B.A. in philosophy and the history of math and science from St. John’s College, Annapolis, and an M.Phil. (Dist.) in medieval Arabic thought from the University of Oxford. He has been a Boren Scholar and a Marshall Scholar and lives in Virginia, where he was born.

Chapters  in this episode:

• Avoiding Knowledge of War is Dangerous
• Do Systems Incentivize War?
• To Be or To Do: Boyd's Challenge
• Is There a Better Way to Get Better?
• Boyd: People, Ideas, Things. Always in That Order!
• Ponch is an Aviator, and Culture is HUGE
• Accountability is Crucial to True Leadership
• Boyd is So Much More Than "OODA Loop"
• Quantico is a "Boyd School"
• Reducing Boyd is a Disadvantage
• Boyd Focused on Conflict, Which is Everywhere
• Studying Conflict Builds Better Leaders
• Team Training and Team Science in Healthcare
• Measuring What Matters
• A Thank You and a Gracious Invitation That Ponch and Mark Accept!

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Dr. Dan Low is the Chief Medical Officer of AdaptX and an expert in clinical systems improvement. Dr. Low has been in the field for more than 20 years and has published numerous research papers on patient safety, human factors, lean methodology, and medical technology. He has been invited to lecture on clinical transformation, physician engagement, continuous clinical improvement, and the use of real-world data to improve patient outcomes both in the United States and abroad. 

 Dr. Low is also a practicing anesthesiologist at Seattle Children’s Hospital and an Associate Professor of Anesthesiology at the University of Washington. In addition to his clinical expertise, he has been consulted on non-healthcare safety and team performance issues, such as improving U.S. Navy operations and commercial aviation teamwork.

Dr. Low is the co-founder of AdaptX, a Seattle-based startup that seeks to improve patient care with better insights from healthcare data. The company recently raised an additional $6 million in a Series A funding round led by Vulcan Capital and has raised a total of more than $11 million in funding.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-way-out/id1663685759
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Gary Klein, PhD is an internationally renowned expert in decision-making, creativity, and leadership. He is a research psychologist, most famous for pioneering the field of Naturalistic Decision Making (NDM), along with his groundbreaking recognition primed decision (RPD) model, which has been used to revolutionize the way the Marines and Army train their officers. Dr. Klein has written several books, articles, and chapters about these topics, such as Sources of Power: How People Make Decisions, The Power of Intuition: How to Use Your Gut Feelings to Make Better Decisions at Work, and his most recent book, Snapshots of the Mind. He is the founder and CEO of Klein Associates, a consulting firm that specializes in decision-making, creative problem solving, and leadership development. Dr. Klein is a much sought-after keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, and has also developed the widely-used Learning-Focused Leadership model. His work has been honored with awards from the American Psychological Association, the Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology, and the International Society for Performance Improvement.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-way-out/id1663685759
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Chet Richards is a retired Air Force Colonel, an independent consultant, and an author. He graduated from the University of Mississippi, where he also earned a PhD in mathematics. He served as an intelligence officer in the Air Force and as a strategy consultant and Lean theoretician.  Chet is a certified yoga instructor and holds a  Registered Yoga Teacher (RYT-500) certification with the Yoga Alliance. 

Colonel Richards is a colleague of the late American strategist John R. Boyd and is a gadfly-at-large for Boyd's ideas today. He has researched into the foundations of Boyd's strategy and has written "Certain to Win: The Strategy of John Boyd Applied to Business" and "If We Can Keep It" (on national security policy). He has a blog at slightlyeastofnew.com, which also has latest edits of Boyd's papers and presentations.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Chris Butler is a renowned product manager, writer, and speaker, with over 20 years of expertise in Agile methodologies, product management, and complex problem-solving. He has been a product leader at Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Cognizant, KAYAK, and Waze and has created techniques like Empathy Mapping for the Machine, Animistic Design Mapping, and Confusion Mapping to create cross-team alignment while building AI products. He is currently a Lead Product Manager at Google's Core Machine Learning team. Chris is an avid speaker and writer and regularly shares his knowledge and insights through talks, articles, and workshops.

Chapters found in this episode:

• Product Managers as Decision Facilitators 
• Why Alignment is Costly 
• Product Strategy, Org Charts and Agile 
• Product Playbooks? 
• A Discourse on Product Management 
• The Power of Narrative 
• Provo-typing? 
• The BS or Term Paper Economy 

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Product School 

John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-way-out/id1663685759
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Adrian Bejan, PhD, is an American professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, esteemed member of the European Academy, and recipient of the Benjamin Franklin Medal, the U.S. version of the Nobel Prize. Born in Romania and a former member of the Romanian National Basketball team, Adrian is known for developing the Constructal Law, which states that any flow system—from the flight of birds to the movement of air and water—will evolve over time so that it can more easily flow. He has published more than 30 books and 650 papers and was ranked in the top 0.01 % of the most cited and impactful scientists in the world ( top 10 in the world in engineering) in the citation impact database created by John Ioannidis of Stanford University. Adrian has also received numerous awards, including the Max Jacob Prize in 1999 and the Ruikov Medal in 2006, and has been awarded 18 honorary doctorates from universities in 11 countries. On this episode of No Way Out, Adrian will be discussing how the Constructal Law applies to basketball, the concept of systems and how they are defined, the evolution of design, and the concept of freedom and how it relates to flow.

Chapters  in this episode: 

• Basketball is Not Communism 
• An Observer-Defined System
• Thoughts on Entropy 
• Freedom: Removing Obstacles That Impede Flow 
• Arrogance, Fascism, and the Intellectual Elites 
• The Constructal Law: Origins
• The Physics of Perception 
• Why Time Moves Faster as We Age 
• The Physics and Geometry of Beauty

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Time and Beauty
The Physics of Life
Design in Nature
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12th Constructal Law Conference, September 2023

John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

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Fred Leland is a retired Lieutenant with the Walpole,  MA Police Department and a former United States Marine. He is an accomplished and accredited trainer with more than 30 years’ experience teaching Law Enforcement and Security. He is a graduate of the FBI National Academy, where he specialized in terrorism related topics, leadership and management.

Fred is a student of the late modern day Strategist COL John Boyd and the Ancient Strategist Sun Tzu. He founded Law Enforcement and Security Consulting, Inc (LESC) in 2006 with the focus of bringing these principles to law enforcement and security.

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Being You
Adopting Mission Command: Developing Leaders for a Superior Command Culture
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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

Stay connected
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Jim Rutt is a renowned innovator and creative mischief maker. He is known for his work as the first CTO of Thomson-Reuters, and for having served as the former CEO of Network Solutions. Following his successful sale of Network Solutions during the Dot Com Boom, Jim changed his focus to scientific research and has been affiliated with the Santa Fe Institute since 2002—a world-renowned think tank dedicated to research in the fields of complexity science, evolutionary and adaptive systems, and artificial intelligence. Jim is also the host of the popular The Jim Rutt Show podcast, where he interviews leading scientists, thinkers, and innovators to explore cutting edge ideas in science and technology, with a particular focus on the future of the economy, politics, and society.

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Antifragile: Things that Gain from Disorder
Misbehavior of Markets: A Fractal View of Financial Turbulence 

John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

A promotional message for Ember Health.  Safe and effective IV ketamine care for individuals seeking relief from depression. Ember Health's evidence-based, partner-oriented, and patient-centered care model, boasting an 84% treatment success rate with 44% of patients reaching depression remission. It also mentions their extensive experience with over 40,000 infusions and treatment of more than 2,500 patients, including veterans, first responders, and individuals with anxiety and PTSD

Stay connected
Read the full posts: https://www.conceptualspiral.com

Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoWayOutPodcast
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-way-out/id1663685759
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