Joel Jamieson and I have been good friends for years, and he’s always someone that I enjoy chatting with. While we’ve done a few podcasts in the past, I really wanted to get him on and dig deep into his current thoughts on conditioning.

In this show, Joel and I talk about how to apply specific conditioning methods like aerobic plyometrics and cardiac power, as well as the biggest changes he’s made to his conditioning programs.

I think this show feels more like a personal conversation than an interview, and there’s about 15-20 minutes in the middle that I feel are pure gold.

Here's a brief overview of what we covered in this week's show:

* What is harder to fly - helicopters or planes?

* How getting his ass kicked help him get serious about conditioning.

* The struggles of writing your first conditioning program.

* The biggest mistake Joel has made when it comes to writing conditioning programs.

* Cardiac power - what it is, what it does, and how to train it.

* How aerobic plyometrics can improve not only elasticity but lower extremity resilience as well.

* The biggest change he's made to his conditioning programs in the last year.

* Joel shares his thoughts on what the next big step is with regards to conditioning programs.

* A modified BIG question.

* And we wrap up with our lightning round where we talk more about helicopters, books, and his new Certified Conditioning Coach course.