Most of us probably work in an office environment. While the way we work has changed a lot over the past several decades, the way that we manage the work, structure our workspaces, and establish policy for our organizations hasn’t kept pace. It’s very similar to how it’s always been.

However, many companies are beginning to challenge some of the status quo methods of management and organization, and in some cases, with great results. Today’s guest is David Burkus. He’s a professor of management at Oral Roberts University, and he’s just published a new book called which highlights how some leaders are doing radical things in the pursuit of a more effective workplace, and how you can follow their lead.