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Ryan was recently a guest on Shilo Brooks’ podcast, Old School, to talk about a book that’s meant a lot to him over the years, Walker Percy’s The Moviegoer. They discuss why this quiet Southern novel, set in postwar New Orleans, remains so resonant and what it reveals about meaning, distraction, and the universal search for purpose.
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In this episode of the Crazy Wisdom Podcast, host Stewart Alsop speaks with Aaron Borger, founder and CEO of Orbital Robotics, about the emerging world of space robotics and satellite capture technology. The conversation covers a fascinating range of topics including Borger's early experience launching AI-controlled robotic arms to space as a student, his work at Blue Origin developing lunar lander software, and how his company is developing robots that can capture other spacecraft for refueling, repair, and debris removal. They discuss the technical challenges of operating in space - from radiation hardening electronics to dealing with tumbling satellites - as well as the broader implications for the space economy, from preventing the Kessler effect to building space-based recycling facilities and mining lunar ice for rocket fuel. You can find more about Aaron Borger’s work at Orbital Robots and follow him on LinkedIn for updates on upcoming missions and demos.
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Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to orbital robotics, satellite capture, and why sensing and perception matter in space
05:00 The Kessler Effect, cascading collisions, and why space debris is an economic problem before it is an existential one
10:00 From debris removal to orbital recycling and the idea of turning junk into infrastructure
15:00 Long-term vision of space factories, lunar ice, and refueling satellites to bootstrap a lunar economy
20:00 Satellite upgrading, servicing live spacecraft, and expanding today’s narrow space economy
25:00 Costs of collision avoidance, ISS maneuvers, and making debris capture economically viable
30:00 Early experiments with AI-controlled robotic arms, suborbital launches, and reinforcement learning in microgravity
35:00 Why deterministic AI and provable safety matter more than LLM hype for spacecraft control
40:00 Radiation, single event upsets, and designing space-safe AI systems with bounded behavior
45:00 AI, physics-based world models, and autonomy as the key to scaling space operations
50:00 Manufacturing constraints, space supply chains, and lessons from rocket engine software
55:00 The future of space startups, geopolitics, deterrence, and keeping space usable for humanity
Key Insights
1. Space Debris Removal as a Growing Economic Opportunity: Aaron Borger explains that orbital debris is becoming a critical problem with approximately 3,000-4,000 defunct satellites among the 15,000 total satellites in orbit. The company is developing robotic arms and AI-controlled spacecraft to capture other satellites for refueling, repair, debris removal, and even space station assembly. The economic case is compelling - it costs about $1 million for the ISS to maneuver around debris, so if their spacecraft can capture and remove multiple pieces of debris for less than that cost per piece, it becomes financially viable while addressing the growing space junk problem.
2. Revolutionary AI Safety Methods Enable Space Robotics: Traditional NASA engineers have been reluctant to use AI for spacecraft control due to safety concerns, but Orbital Robotics has developed breakthrough methods combining reinforcement learning with traditional control systems that can mathematically prove the AI will behave safely. Their approach uses physics-based world models rather than pure data-driven learning, ensuring deterministic behavior and bounded operations. This represents a significant advancement over previous AI approaches that couldn't guarantee safe operation in the high-stakes environment of space.
3. Vision for Space-Based Manufacturing and Resource Utilization: The long-term vision extends beyond debris removal to creating orbital recycling facilities that can break down captured satellites and rebuild them into new spacecraft using existing materials in orbit. Additionally, the company plans to harvest propellant from lunar ice, splitting it into hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel, which could kickstart a lunar economy by providing economic incentives for moon-based operations while supporting the growing satellite constellation infrastructure.
4. Unique Space Technology Development Through Student Programs: Borger and his co-founder gained unprecedented experience by launching six AI-controlled robotic arms to space through NASA's student rocket programs while still undergraduates. These missions involved throwing and catching objects in microgravity using deep reinforcement learning trained in simulation and tested on Earth. This hands-on space experience is extremely rare and gave them practical knowledge that informed their current commercial venture.
5. Hardware Challenges Require Innovative Engineering Solutions: Space presents unique technical challenges including radiation-induced single event upsets that can reset processors for up to 10 seconds, requiring "passive safe" trajectories that won't cause collisions even during system resets. Unlike traditional space companies that spend $100,000 on radiation-hardened processors, Orbital Robotics uses automotive-grade components made radiation-tolerant through smart software and electrical design, enabling cost-effective operations while maintaining safety.
6. Space Manufacturing Supply Chain Constraints: The space industry faces significant manufacturing bottlenecks with 24-week lead times for space-grade components and limited suppliers serving multiple companies simultaneously. This creates challenges for scaling production - Orbital Robotics needs to manufacture 30 robotic arms per year within a few years. They've partnered with manufacturers who previously worked on Blue Origin's rocket engines to address these supply chain limitations and achieve the scale necessary for their ambitious deployment timeline.
7. Emerging Space Economy Beyond Communications: While current commercial space activities focus primarily on communications satellites (with SpaceX Starlink holding 60% market share) and Earth observation, new sectors are emerging including AI data centers in space and orbital manufacturing. The convergence of AI, robotics, and space technology is enabling more sophisticated autonomous operations, from predictive maintenance of rocket engines using sensor data to complex orbital maneuvering and satellite servicing that was previously impossible with traditional control methods.
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One minute of vigorous exercise may be worth up to ten minutes of "moderate" cardio for extending lifespan and preventing chronic disease. In this Journal Club episode, Rhonda Patrick, PhD and endurance athlete Brady Holmer dissect a new Nature Communications study of more than 70,000 adults showing that vigorous intensity is roughly 4–10x more potent than moderate activity for reducing all-cause mortality, cardiovascular events, type 2 diabetes, and cancer outcomes—far beyond the long-standing 1:2 rule embedded in global exercise guidelines.
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What idea have you been sitting on lately?
What’s been holding you back from starting?
Today, Jay sits down with engineer, innovator, and YouTube creator Mark Rober to explore the unexpected life experiences that shaped one of the internet’s most beloved minds. Mark shares the childhood moments that ignited his passion for building, breaking, and understanding how the world works, moments nurtured by a mother whose love, imagination, and encouragement helped lay the foundation for his life’s mission. He reflects on how her influence continues to ripple outward, inspiring millions of young people who learn, explore, and dream through his work today.
Jay and Mark explore the mindset that carried Mark from NASA engineer to innovative educator, unpacking what it really means to “think like an engineer:” experiment boldly, embrace failure, and treat every setback as an opportunity to learn. They follow Mark’s unusual pivots, from designing Mars rover hardware to crafting Halloween costumes, to ultimately shaping a career that blends curiosity, storytelling, science, and play. Together they reveal the deeper lessons behind Mark’s most viral experiments: why creativity thrives when we stay childlike, how passion reveals itself through repetition, and why the most meaningful work grows from genuine excitement rather than algorithms or expectations.
In this interview, you'll learn:
How to Think Like an Engineer
How to Stay Curious as an Adult
How to Follow Your Passion Practically
How to Build Ideas That Actually Work
How to Find Creativity in Everyday Life
How to Recognize Your Real Calling
How to Inspire Others Through Your Work
Keep following the questions that excite you, keep trying the things that scare you, and keep believing that you’re capable of far more than you realize. Your next breakthrough might be just one experiment, or one brave attempt away.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
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What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
01:16 Were You Always Creative?
04:02 Understanding the Real Impact of Your Life
06:55 What It Really Takes to Work at NASA
09:49 Learning to Think Like an Engineer
11:22 How Rovers Are Tested for Mars
12:20 Searching for Life Beyond Earth
13:24 Follow What You Truly Love Doing
16:11 If You Can Imagine It, You Can Build It
17:22 Practical Wisdom from a Lifelong Tinkerer
20:57 The Pivot from NASA to Apple
23:34 Turning Ideas into Actionable Success
24:45 What is the Engineering Design Process?
28:28 Why Embracing Failure Matters
29:57 Relearning Trust and Finding Love Again
34:56 The Power of Immersion Weekends
36:45 Making Learning Engaging Through Creativity
40:29 Why Mastery Is Worth Pursuing
41:40 Balancing Business with True Creativity
44:51 How Communication Shapes Great Storytelling
47:40 Two Common Mistakes Creators Make
52:30 Staying True to Your Creative Style
54:04 The Importance of Focusing on One Passion
56:44 The Hidden Failures Behind Viral Success
59:35 Giving Kids Room to Be Creative
01:04:30 Curiosity as the Root of Creativity
01:06:07 Inside a Real Creative Process
01:08:45 Where Do You Get Your Big Ideas?
01:11:46 The Mind-Bending Question of Life in the Universe
01:16:02 The Promise and Peril of Rapid AI Growth
01:19:56 Focusing on What You Can Truly Influence
01:24:57 Mark on Final Five
Episode Resources:
Mark Rober | X
Mark Rober | Instagram
Mark Rober | Facebook
Mark Rober | LinkedIn
Mark Rober | TikTok
Mark Rober | YouTube
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