Progressively Incorrect

Progressively Incorrect

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  • S4E3: Brendan Lee and Zach Groshell on the nuances of teaching effectively

    Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching.

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    In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, Brendan Lee and Dr. Zach Groshell (Host of the Progressively Incorrect podcast) collaborated in the first of a series of episodes together. The theme for this episode was around what are the main principles that teachers need to understand about how learning happens and what are the key mechanisms of effective instruction.

    Zach’s 4 points were:
    1. Intrinsic motivation is a lofty goal but can’t be depended upon.
    2. Use generative learning strategies after building prior knowledge – and without the help of AI. 
    3. The environment is not the “Third Teacher” but it can be designed optimally. 
    4. We might underestimate how much students appreciate receiving feedback.
    5. Brendan’s 4 points were:
      1. The instructional hierarchy is the single most important thing for teachers to know
      2. Desirable difficulties optimises learning
      3. Attaining and retaining attention is easier said than done
      4. Designing learning is more than just sequencing concepts in small steps
      5. Resources mentioned:
        • Haring and Eaton’s Instructional Hierarchy
        • Bjork and Bjork’s Desirable Difficulties
        • Fiorella and Mayer – Eight Ways to Promote Generative Learning
        • Stanislas Dehaene – How we learn
        • Daniel Willingham – Why don’t students like school
        • Amanda VanDerHeyden
        • Dylan Wiliam
        • You can connect with Brendan:

          Twitter: @learnwithmrlee

          Facebook: @learningwithmrlee

          Website: learnwithlee.net

          There are many more great episodes I have locked and loaded for you this season, so please subscribe and give this show 5 stars on the platform of your choosing. If you would like me to offer your staff some training around Just Tell Them and the science of learning, please message me through my Contact Page.

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          1 hr 23 min
        • S4E2: Rodrigo Lopez on putting principles into practice in Chile

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching.

          In this episode, I catch up with Rodrigo Lopez to talk about the work that he and APTUS are doing to spread research and science in Chile, including the exciting return of researchED.

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          There are many more great episodes I have locked and loaded for you this season, so please subscribe and give this show 5 stars on the platform of your choosing. If you would like me to offer your staff some training around Just Tell Them and the science of learning, please message me through my Contact Page.

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          1 hr 1 min
        • S4E1: Just Tell Them — The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell.

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          In this episode, me and my friend Gene Tavernetti catch up after a busy summer to talk about strategies for effective modeling from the new book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching.

          Just Tell Them is available for pre-order now! If you’re a longtime fan of this podcast, I hope you pick up a couple to share with your teacher friends and include it in your school’s professional library.

          There are many more great episodes I have locked and loaded for you this season, so please subscribe and give this show 5 stars on the platform of your choosing. If you would like me to offer your staff some training around Just Tell Them and the science of learning, please message me through my Contact Page.

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          48 min
        • S3E21: Paul Kirschner on “Let’s Talk Evidence” and the latest debates over inquiry learning


          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect and to the season 3 Finale of this podcast. In this final episode before I take a break for the summer, we are going out with a bang by bringing back one of the most respected and influential cognitive psychologists in the world, Paul Kirschner.

          Before we go over to Paul, I wanted to thank all of you for supporting me and this show. This season, I was able to interview 31 fabulous guests, and I hope that their insights and research helped you grow and perhaps even improved your teaching. You’ll be happy to know that, along the way, the number of listeners of Progressively Incorrect has grown exponentially, which has led to a lot of opportunities for me. John Catt from Hodder Education became a sponsor of this show, and at about the same time I signed with them to write a book. It may be too early to share this, I don’t know, but the book is titled, “Just Tell Them” and it is all about how to model and explain your content area explicitly and directly. If you go to the show notes of this episode, you will find an early design of the cover art, which has a nice pop art vibe that I really like. Look out for the release of “Just Tell Them: The Art and Science of Explanation” sometime next school year.

          Just Tell Them is undergoing edits from the publisher, more updates to come!

          My other announcement is that, after taking a long walk into the meadow, I’ve decided to quit my day job to give full-time consulting a try. Schools have been asking me for the past two years to help them bring evidence-informed practice to their teachers, but I’ve been unable to accommodate all the requests while also having to report to a brick and mortar building. While it was hard to say goodbye to my middle school and all the wonderful people there, I am excited about the new adventure ahead of me. My August is already packed with training gigs in North Carolina, Colorado, and New York, and I will be keynoting at researchED Chile in the fall, among several other opportunities. In shifting my time and energy to this work, I hope to be able to play a larger role in improving learning and instruction across this country.

          Alright, that’s enough from me, please join me in welcoming Dr. Paul Kirschner back onto the show to update us on the latest debates over inquiry and explicit instruction.

          Papers referenced in the podcast:
          The original paper by Zhang et al.
          The response from de Jong et al.
          The response to the response by Sweller et al.

          56 min
        • S3E20: Casey Sovo on improving reading outcomes for indigenous students

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. This episode is the second of two DI podcast episodes that I am releasing this weekend ahead of the Progressively Incorrect Season 3 finale with Paul Kirschner.

          Progressively Incorrect is brought to you by John Catt Educational, which publishes some of the best books in education, including Direct Instruction: A Practitioner’s Handbook, by Kurt Engelmann. You can listen to Kurt talk about his book on Season 3 Episode 7 of this podcast, and it’s perfect for teachers and leaders who want to get their hands on the latest text on Direct Instruction.

          Please enjoy this episode of the Direct Instruction Podcast with Casey Sovo.

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          58 min
        • S3E19: Marcy Stein and Bernadette Kelly on direct instruction mathematics

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am excited to be bringing you the first of two DI podcast episodes that I will be releasing this weekend ahead of the Progressively Incorrect Season 3 finale with Paul Kirschner. My guests are DI mathematics experts Marcy Stein and Bernadette Kelly.

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          This podcast is brought to you by John Catt Educational, which publishes some of the best books in education. Since this episode is about Big DI, I thought I’d once again highlight the book, Direct Instruction: A Practitioner’s Handbook, by Kurt Engelmann. You can listen to Kurt talk about his book on Season 3 Episode 7 of this podcast, and if you buy the book and turn the first few pages, you’ll even find a little book blurb by me! It’s an excellent book, and perfect for people who want the latest text on Direct Instruction.

          Now, without further ado, let’s go on over to the DI podcast and learn about instructional design for math.

          Like what you heard and interested in hiring me to do some PD? Get in touch!
          57 min
        • S3E18: Meg Lee and Jim Heal on evidence-informed practice at scale

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am thrilled to be speaking with Meg Lee and Jim Heal, two educators at the cutting-edge of evidence-based education. They’re going to be talking to us about the work they’re doing to scale the science of learning up and across this fine country through their Learning Science Consortium… let’s hope it takes off, because it feels like we’re paddling upstream sometimes to our friends in the UK and Australia.

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          This podcast is brought to you by John Catt Educational, which publishes some of the best books in education. This week I’d like to do one more plug for the book, Responsive Coaching by Josh Goodrich, mainly because it is amazing. Josh has written a book that perfectly addresses the issues I’ve had as an instructional coach. It outlines a practical, efficient, and accountable approach to instructional coaching that just makes so much sense. This is one of the best books I’ve read in 2024, folks, and I highly recommend you check it out.

          Did you know that I support schools nationwide and internationally to develop their instructional frameworks based on the ideas I talk about every week on this podcast? If you’re looking for high quality professional development on cognitive load theory, explicit instruction, and the science of learning, please don’t hesitate to send me a message through my Contact page, which is linked in the show notes. We can meet on Zoom and put together a plan that moves your school forward.

          Now, without further ado, let’s roll the tape of my discussion with two of the leading change makers in education, Meg Lee and Jim Heal.

          56 min
        • S3E17: Scott Hill on evidence-informed school leadership

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to be speaking with Scott Hill, the Superintendent of Evergreen School Division in Manitoba, Canada. We will be talking about evidence-informed school leadership, including the shift that Evergreen has made towards a science of reading based curriculum, and the decision to embed Rosenshine’s Principles of Instruction into their strategic plan. If you’re a school leader or a decision maker yourself, I hope you listen to this episode closely… Scott and Evergreen are doing fantastic things in this space, and I was totally honored he agreed to come on Progressively Incorrect to lend his expertise.

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          This podcast is brought to you by John Catt Educational, which publishes some of the best books in education. This week I’d like to share a book that I talked about last week with Haili Hughes titled, Responsive Coaching: Evidence-informed instructional coaching that works for every teacher in your school by Josh Goodrich. Josh and his company, Steplab, are changing the world of instructional coaching through a practical, efficient, and accountable approach that just makes so much freaking sense. This is one of the best books I’ve read in 2024, and I highly recommend you check it out.

          Do you enjoy the topics that I talk about on this podcast and want to see them make their way into your school? Consider hiring me to lead interactive workshops on the science of learning and instruction. Please message me through my Contact page on my website, which is linked in the show notes, for more details.

          Now, without further ado, let’s roll the tape of my discussion with one of the most forward-thinking Superintendents in education today, Scott Hill.

          54 min
        • S3E16: Haili Hughes on tools and structures for effective coaching

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to be speaking with Haili Hughes as part of my ongoing inquiry into instructional coaching approaches. If you’re a leader or instructional coach yourself, be sure to check out previous instructional coaching episodes of Progressively Incorrect, such as the one with Gene Tavernetti, and the one with Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli. In this episode, Haili and I will be talking about technologies and scaffolds for coaches, including scripting and the use of video. We will also talk about the advantages and drawbacks of different coaching models, and we’ll goof around and just have a grand old time.

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          This podcast is brought to you by John Catt Educational, which publishes some of the best books in education. This week I wanted to highlight a book that I’m intrigued about,  Formative action: From instrument to design. In this book, the authors outline and explain how educators can use feedback more effectively and efficiently, and the essential role of instilling a shared sense of quality. Be sure to check out this new and exciting book by clicking the link in the show notes.

          Do you enjoy the topics that I talk about on this podcast and want to see them make their way into your school? Consider having me over at your school to lead interactive workshops on the science of learning and instruction. Just last week, I worked with over 200 teachers and instructional coaches to develop their math programming based on principles of cognitive load theory, desirable difficulties, and explicit instruction. If you’re interested in setting up a Zoom with me to talk about how I can be of service, please message me through the Contact page on my website, which is linked in the show notes.

          Now, without further ado, let’s roll the tape of my discussion with one of the most wonderful and knowledgable people in the world of instructional coaching, Dr. Haili Hughes.

          46 min
        • S3E15: Corey Peltier on scientifically informed math interventions

          Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to be speaking with Corey Peltier as part of my ongoing obsession into how we teach math. If you haven’t already, I recommend checking out the hugely popular Science of Math episode I recorded a few months ago with Sarah Powell, Amanda VanDerHeyden, Anna Stokke and Nate Hansford. In this episode, Corey and I will be talking about some of the topics that we didn’t get to in that panel discussion, including Single Case Research Design, the Instructional Hierarchy, and Curriculum Based Measurement.

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          Before we head over to Corey, I wanted to highlight two things that are keeping the lights on over at Progressively Incorrect headquarters. The first is that this podcast is brought to you by John Catt Educational. This week I am excited to highlight the book, One Pagers by Jaime Clark. In this practical little book, Jamie presents over 50 ultra-concise A4 summaries that share important ideas about good teaching. This unique book is certain to help teachers and leaders to reflect on their practices, build pedagogical knowledge, and generate professional discussion.

          The second thing is to consider having me over at your school to lead interactive workshops on the concepts you hear me talk about every week on this podcast. Just as an example, I am heading out this weekend to work with teachers and instructional coaches on developing scientifically informed math instruction. We will talk about how to develop coherent lesson sequences based on principles from cognitive load theory, desirable difficulties, and the instructional hierarchy. You can reach me to set up a Zoom through my Contact page, which is linked in the show notes.

          Now, without further ado, let’s roll the tape of my discussion with one of the most helpful, insightful, and dynamic people I’ve had a pleasure to interview on this podcast, Dr. Corey Peltier.

          43 min

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