On this week's episode of Happy Mum Happy Baby, Clinical Psychologist Dr Julie joins Giovanna to talk about perfection, parenting and letting go of the expectations we place on ourselves. 

Julie opens up about being diagnosed with breast cancer last year and tells Gi why and how she talked to her three children about it.

Plus Gi and Julie discuss hypnobirthing and the importance of having agency during birth.

Dr Julie’s new book Open When is available to buy now: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/453995/open-when-by-smith-dr-julie/9780241663936

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