Psychologists Off the Clock

So many women grow up hearing that we should be able to have it all, yet very few of us are ever shown what that actually looks like in real life.

In this episode, Emily welcomes Corinne Lowe, an associate professor of Business Economics and Public Policy. 

Corinne shares insights from her book, Having It All: What Data Tells Us About Women’s Lives and Getting the Most Out of Yours, which examines gender wage gaps, structural discrimination, and the pressures women face when balancing career, family, and personal life.

This conversation focuses on redefining success in a way that truly fits your values, being more intentional with your time, and finding fulfillment on your own terms. You’ll also come away with practical strategies for workplace negotiations, rethinking productivity, and creating a more sustainable balance between work and life.

Listen and Learn: 

• How structural barriers limit women’s career and wage growth, and encourage redefining success by focusing on personal fulfillment and leveling up within those realities
• How women face systemic workplace barriers that collectively limit their opportunities and earnings, and why addressing these issues benefits everyone
• Debunking myths about women’s performance, showing that traits like negotiation skill and competitiveness are not inferior, and that focusing on evidence-based skill-building is what truly drives success
• Understanding and prioritizing your own “utility function” to help women focus on what matters to them, rather than constantly comparing themselves to others
• How to rethink your career as a tool for turning time into meaningful fulfillment, balance life’s chapters intentionally, and confidently understand your market value to make work serve you
• Reclaiming your time, setting boundaries, and making intentional choices to focus on what truly brings joy and meaning to your family and life, instead of being trapped by guilt, obligation, or unrealistic expectations
• Reframing parenting and self-care as “human capital” investment, showing how the time and care you give to your children and to yourself is meaningful, economically valuable, and essential for long-term wellbeing

Resources: 

• Having It All: What Data Tells Us About Women’s Lives and Getting the Most Out of Yours: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781250369512
• Corrine’s Website: https://www.corinnelow.com 
• Connect with Corrine on Social Media: 
• https://www.instagram.com/corinnelowphd/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/corinne-low
• https://www.facebook.com/people/Corinne-Low 
• Read More About Corrine’s Work on Substack: https://corinnelow.substack.com/ 

About Corinne Low

Corinne Low is an Associate Professor of Business Economics and Public Policy at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania where she teaches an award-winning class (and was named one of Poets and Quants 40 MBA Professors under 40 in 2024). Her research on the economics of gender has been published in top journals such as the American Economic Review, Quarterly Journal of Economics, and Journal of Political Economy. Corinne and her work have been featured in major media outlets, such as The New York Times, CBS Mornings, Forbes, New York Magazine, and The Guardian. Corinne regularly speaks to and advises firms in addition to teaching in Wharton’s Executive Education programs. She is the author of Having It All: What Data Tells Us About Women's Lives and Getting the Most Out of Yours. She received her Ph.D. in Economics from Columbia University, her B.S. in Economics and Public Policy from Duke University and formerly worked for McKinsey and Company.

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Creativity is not just for artists or makers, so how can we build creativity and move from having an idea to doing something with it? 

Joining Jill for this conversation is Zorana Ivcevic Pringle, a senior research scientist and the author of The Creativity Choice. Zorana discusses her journey into the world of creativity, the broader definition of creative acts beyond the arts, and how our emotions play a crucial role in creative processes. 

She emphasizes embracing discomfort, finding inspiration in frustration, and the necessity for community and collaboration in creative endeavors. 

This episode is a must-listen if you're curious to explore your own creative potential and bust the myth that creativity is just for the naturally gifted artists.

Listen and Learn:

• How a formative childhood experience with art and creative differences sparked Zorana’s lifelong passion for studying creativity
• How creativity isn’t limited to the arts; it can appear in everyday life, work, and problem-solving, showing that everyone has the potential to be creative
• Overcoming fear, uncertainty, and the ‘gap trap’ by embracing discomfort, practicing creative self-efficacy
• Why creativity is less about sudden inspiration and more about exploring problems deeply, asking questions, experimenting, and allowing solutions to emerge
• How both positive and negative emotions serve as valuable information that can inspire creativity
• Why creative blocks are a normal part of the process, and why approaching them with self-compassion can help overcome them and restore creative flow
• How creativity and community intersect, and how collaboration or social connections can support the creative process

Resources:

• Zorana’s Website: https://www.zorana-ivcevic-pringle.com/
• The Creativity Choice: The Science of Making Decisions to Turn Ideas Into Action: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781541704329 
• Zorana's Substack Newsletter: https://creativitydecision.substack.com/ 
• Connect with Zorana on Social Media
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zorana-ivcevic-pringle/ 
• BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/z-i-pringle.bsky.social 
• Twitter: https://x.com/ZoranaPsych 
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ZoranaIvcevicPringle 
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.z.i.pringle/

About Zorana Ivcevic Pringle

Zorana Ivcevic Pringle, Ph.D., is a Senior Research Scientist at the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence. Zorana studies the role of emotion in creativity and well-being, examines the role of the arts and art-related institutions in building creativity, and wants to know how we move from having an idea to doing something with it. She edited the Cambridge Handbook of Creativity and Emotions, publishes research in creativity studies, and speaks to diverse audiences about creativity and how to make it happen. Zorana received the Award for Excellence in Research from the Mensa Education and Research Foundation and the Berlyne Award for Outstanding Early Career Achievement in psychology of aesthetics, creativity, and the arts from the American Psychological Association.

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If you’ve been dragging some of last year around with you, or you’ve been feeling that strange mix of excitement and pressure that shows up every January, this episode is calling your name. 

Closing out the year, the POTC cohosts are bringing you a conversation about how creativity can be a lifeline, a mindset shift, and a really enjoyable way to start 2026 feeling more like yourself.

Walking you through simple ways to reflect on the past year, we share some creative exercises that spark real insight and explore how tuning into your creative side can help you make meaning, connect with people, and better handle the tough stuff life throws at you. 

If you’re craving more joy, connection, or just a new angle on the year ahead, you’re bound to find something that resonates.

So settle in, and join us in starting the year with intention, curiosity, and a little touch of creativity.

Listen and Learn: 

• Reflection Exercises, including: 
• Finding Meaning: Reflecting on the past year, where were you last New Year’s, and what were your biggest highs and lows since then
• Meaningful Moments: Reflecting on two or three meaningful moments from the past year and vividly recalling the sights, sounds, and feelings of each experience
• Lessons, Wins and Moving Forward: Reflecting on your past year to uncover lessons from mistakes, celebrate achievements, and clarify what truly matters to you as you move into 2026
• Vision for the Year Ahead: Reflecting on what you truly want, the areas you’ve neglected, and the values you want to prioritize in the year ahead
• How incorporating creative, life-affirming activities can boost your well-being and help you navigate life’s challenges
• Practical exercises and tips to spark more creativity in your life in the new year

Resources: 

• Access the New Year’s Reflection Questions from this episode (.pdf or editable MS Word versions available) 
• Debbie’s Guided Journaling Substack with writing prompts and a 30-day journaling challenge
• Year Compass worksheets: https://yearcompass.com/
• Word of the Year and Unravel Your Year worksheets by Susannah Conway: https://www.susannahconway.com/unravel 
• Creative Mornings: https://creativemornings.com/ 
• Jill | Betrayal Weekly: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jill-betrayal-weekly/id1615637724?i=1000726003078 
• If you have a story connected to trauma, crime, or someone who’s caused harm—and you feel ready to share it—Jill would love to hear from you. You can book a free 30-minute consult at:https://jillstoddard.com/contact-us 

About the POTC CoHosts: 

Debbie Sorensen, PhD, Co-host

Debbie (she/her) is a clinical psychologist in private practice in Denver, Colorado with a bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Anthropology from the University of Colorado, Boulder, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from Harvard University. She is author of the book ACT for Burnout: Recharge, Reconnect, and Transform Burnout with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and co-author of ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. She loves living in Colorado, her home state, with her husband, two daughters, and dog. When she’s not busy working or podcasting, she enjoys reading fiction, cooking, traveling, and getting outdoors in the beautiful Rocky Mountains! You can learn more about Debbie, read her blog, and find out about upcoming presentations and training events at her webpage, drdebbiesorensen.com.

Jill Stoddard, PhD, Co-host

Jill Stoddard is passionate about sharing science-backed ideas from psychology to help people thrive. She is a psychologist, writer, TEDx speaker, award-winning teacher, peer-reviewed ACT trainer, bariatric coach, and co-host of the popular Psychologists Off the Clock podcast. Dr. Stoddard is the founder and director of The Center for Stress and Anxiety Management, an outpatient practice specializing in evidence-based therapies for anxiety and related issues. She is the author of three books: The Big Book of ACT Metaphors: A Practitioner’s Guide to Experiential Exercises and Metaphors in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy; Be Mighty: A Woman’s Guide to Liberation from Anxiety, Worry, and Stress Using Mindfulness and Acceptance; and Imposter No More: Overcome Self-doubt and Imposterism to Cultivate a Successful Career. Her writing has also appeared in The Washington Post, Psychology Today, Scary Mommy, Thrive Global, The Good Men Project, and Mindful Return. She regularly appears on podcasts and as an expert source for various media outlets. She lives in Newburyport, MA with her husband, two kids, and disobedient French Bulldog.  

Michael Herold, Co-Host

Michael (he/him) is a confidence trainer and social skills coach, based in Vienna, Austria.  He’s helping his clients overcome their social anxiety through Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and fun exposure exercises. (Though the jury is still out on whether they’re mostly fun for him). He is also a certified therapeutic game master, utilizing the Dungeons&Dragons tabletop roleplaying game to train communication, assertiveness, and teamwork with young adults. Or actually, anyone ready to roll some dice and battle goblins in a supportive group where players want to level up (pun!) their social skills. Michael is the head coach of the L.A. based company The Art of Charm, running their confidence-building program “Unstoppable” as well as workshops on small talk, storytelling, vulnerability, and more. He is the scientific advisor and co-producer of their large podcast with more than 250 million downloads. As a member of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS), Michael is the current President of the ACT Coaching Special Interest Group with nearly 1,000 coaches worldwide, and the co-founder of the ACT in Austria Affiliate of ACBS, a nationwide meetup for ACT practitioners in Austria. He’s a public speaker who has spoken at TEDx, in front of members of parliament, universities, and once in a cinema full of 500 kids high on sugary popcorn. In a previous life, he was a character animator working on award-winning movies and TV shows such as “The Penguins of Madagascar” and “Kung Fu Panda”. That was before he realized that helping people live a meaningful life is much more rewarding than working in the film business – even though the long nights in the studio allowed him to brew his own beer in the office closet, an activity he highly recommends. Michael grew up with five foster kids who were all taken out of abusive families. His foster sisters showed him how much positive change is possible in a person if they have the love and support they need.

Emily Edlynn, PhD, Co-Host

Emily (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in pediatric health psychology who works in private practice with children, teens, and adults. She has a BA in English from Smith College, a PhD in clinical psychology from Loyola University Chicago, and completed postgraduate training at Stanford and Children’s Hospital Orange County. Emily spent almost ten years working in children’s hospitals before pivoting to private practice, which allowed her to start a writing career. Emily has written her blog, The Art and Science of Mom, since 2017 and a parenting advice column for Parents.com since 2019. Emily’s writing has also appeared in the Washington Post, Scary Mommy, Good Housekeeping, Motherly, and more. She recently added author to her bio with her book, Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent Confident Children and has a Substack newsletter. Emily lives with her husband, three children, and two rescue dogs in Oak Park, IL where she can see Chicago’s skyline from her attic window.   

Yael Schonbrun, PhD, Co-host

Yael (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist who wears a number of professional hats: She has a small private practice specializing in evidence-based relationship therapy, she’s an assistant professor at Brown University, and she writes for nonacademic audiences about working parenthood. She has a B.A. from Washington University in St. Louis, a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Colorado, Boulder, and completed her postgraduate training at Brown University. In all areas of her work, Yael draws on scientific research, her clinical experience, ancient wisdom (with an emphasis on Taoism), and real life experiences with her three little boys. You can find out more about Yael’s writing, including her book, Work, Parent, Thrive, and about her research by clicking the links. You can follow Yael on Linkedin and Instagram where she posts about relationship science or subscribe to her newsletter, Relational, to get the science of relationships in your email inbox!

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We’ve all rolled our eyes at someone's behavior, only to realize, uncomfortably, that we’ve done the same. 

Join Yael in this conversation discussing this very common human experience with Michael Hallsworth, the author of The Hypocrisy Trap. Michael breaks down the nature of hypocrisy, including its historical origin and why it is such a prevalent issue in our lives and in politics. 

You’ll also hear how societal norms and personal biases can play into our confrontations with hypocrisy and take away effective strategies to minimize it in your daily interactions. 

Check it out if you want a new take on this age-old problem and why understanding it can lead to more authentic and trusting relationships. 

Listen and Learn:

• Understanding hypocrisy as a judgment we make about inconsistencies 
• The surprising origin of the word “hypocrite” and how its meaning evolved
• Why hypocrisy isn’t always bad and how to balance consistency and context in our actions
• How calling out hypocrisy can backfire, creating more of it, and making the term lose meaning, while revealing surprising insights about human behavior
• Why we’re often blind to our own double standards in relationships and how our perception of intentions gives us more leniency for ourselves than for others
• Why a level of hypocrisy is inevitable in democratic politics
• Is tolerating some political and personal hypocrisy necessary, even when it feels uncomfortable to do so?
• Strategies to understand, reduce, and respond to hypocrisy, and learning why shifting how we view inconsistency can lead to less cynicism and more meaningful change

Resources

• Michael’s Website: https://www.michaelhallsworth.com/
• The Hypocrisy Trap: How Changing What We Criticize Can Improve Our Lives on Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780262050944 
• The Hypocrisy Trap on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Hypocrisy-Trap-Changing-Criticize-Improve 
• Practical Wisdom by Kenneth Sharpe and Barry Schwartz: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781594485435 

About Michael Hallsworth

Dr. Michael Hallsworth, author of The Hypocrisy Trap. Michael has spent two decades applying behavioral science to real-world problems, teaching at places like UPenn, Princeton, and Columbia. And he's taken all that academic knowhow to help design better policies and services for governments and organizations around the world.

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Are you wisely using your genius energy? 

In this episode, Michael reconnects with Diana Hill, a therapist and author who has recently explored the concept of focusing your genius energy on what matters most through her book Wise Effort.

Their discussion spans from insights from ancient Buddhist wisdom to the application of commitment therapy to the practice of finding one's unique 'genius energy.' 

If you’re interested in practical ways to maximize your strengths, handle emotional challenges, and cultivate a meaningful and balanced life, you’ll want to join them to unearth actionable tips and exercises for making the most out of your efforts and ultimately enhancing your well-being.

Listen and Learn: 

• What is “Wise Effort” and how can this practice reshape your energy, choices, and well-being?
• Identifying and using your unique “genius energy” while also recognizing how overusing those strengths can become a stumbling block, and how cultivating awareness, curiosity, and context helps direct those strengths with wisdom
• Practical self-reflection questions to uncover your genius
• A simple four-question “energy audit” for knowing when to dial your genius up or down
• Where true wisdom really comes from, and what if rethinking how growth happens
• Adopting “Wise Effort” helps you understand your struggles in context, align your actions with your values, and transform both self-judgment and relationships
• Bringing mindful intention to even mundane tasks to transform how you use your time, connect with yourself, and balance structure with flexibility in a meaningful life

Resources: 

• Wise Effort: How to Focus Your Genius Energy on What Matters Most: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781649633361 
• Diana’s Website: drdianahill.com
• Connect with Diana on Social Media: 
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/drdianahill
• https://www.facebook.com/drdianahill/
• https://www.youtube.com/drdianahill
• https://www.instagram.com/drdianahill/
• https://insighttimer.com/drdianahill 
• FREE Energy Audit guide: https://drdianahill.com/energy 
• Wise Effort: The Business Of Therapy Program: https://drdianahill.com/wise-effort-the-business-of-therapy 
• Michael’s Real Play Episode on The Wise Effort Podcast: https://wiseeffortshow.com/episode/living-life-on-your-own-terms-with-michael-herold-real-play 

About Diana Hill

Dr. Diana Hill, PhD is a clinical psychologist, author, international trainer, and recognized expert in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), compassion-based interventions, and psychological flexibility. With a background that bridges neuroscience, mindfulness, and behavioral science, she is known for making complex psychological concepts both practical and inspiring.

A summa cum laude graduate of the University of California, Santa Barbara, where she majored in Biopsychology, Dr. Hill earned her doctoral degree in Clinical Psychology from the University of Colorado at Boulder. She later collaborated with Dr. Debra Safer at Stanford University, researching Dialectical Behavior Therapy and Appetite Awareness Training (AAT) for bulimia nervosa. She completed her clinical internship at the University of California, Davis, followed by a postdoctoral fellowship at La Luna Intensive Outpatient Center, where she later served as Clinical Director and developed their ACT- and AAT-based treatment program.

A leading voice in the evolution of ACT and Process-Based Therapy, Dr. Hill works closely with pioneers in the field. She co-leads ACT BootCamp Training for Therapists with ACT founder Dr. Steven Hayes and is actively involved in shaping the future of therapy—including applications of AI, advances in diagnostic systems, network modeling, and process-based approaches. She serves as a senior meditation teacher and curriculum developer for the University of California’s Climate Resilience Initiative, integrating ACT and mindfulness into interdisciplinary environmental education.

Dr. Hill has contributed to publications in the International Journal of Eating Disorders and co-authored a seminal article on Process-Based Therapy, advancing evidence-based clinical practice. She is a contributor to PsychFlex, a digital platform that helps clinicians incorporate ACT into their work and track client outcomes in real time through ecological measurements. She also speaks regularly at global conferences including the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS) World Conference, Innovations in Psychotherapy, and the Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference.

In addition to her clinical and academic work, Dr. Hill teaches at organizations and retreat centers such as InsightLA, Blue Spirit Costa Rica, PESI, and PraxisCET. She serves on the clinical advisory board of Lightfully Behavioral Health and is a board member of the Institute for Better Health.

She is the author of Wise Effort: How to Focus Your Genius Energy on What Matters Most (Sounds True, 2025), The Self-Compassion Daily Journal, I Know I Should Exercise But…, and ACT Daily Journal. Her insights have been featured in NPR, The Wall Street Journal, Psychology Today, Mindful, Prevention, Real Simple, Woman’s Day, and other leading media outlets. She is also the host of the Wise Effort podcast.

With more than 20 years of study and practice in yoga and meditation—including training in the tradition of Thich Nhat Hanh—Dr. Hill integrates contemplative practice into her approach to healing and growth. She lives in California, where she raises two sons, cares for bees, and embodies the Wise Effort principles she teaches—living a life guided by presence, purpose, and compassion.

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How can we reshape the understanding of consent and more effectively address the widespread problem of sexual violence? 

Start by joining Jill for a conversation with award-winning activist Chanel Contos, who is bringing attention to the complexities of consent, sexual coercion, and rape culture through her book Consent Laid Bare. 

Chanel’s pioneering work in making consent education mandatory in Australia shows what’s possible and what could be achieved worldwide.

We invite you to listen in to broaden your knowledge about gender norms, the dangers of low empathy and high entitlement, practical steps to foster empathy in young people, and much more. 

This is a crucial conversation that has the potential to make a huge difference in everyone's lives.

Listen to POTC ad-free for just $5 a month by becoming a Mega Supporter on Patreon! Or, support the podcast with a one-time donation at Buy Me A Coffee!

Listen and Learn: 

• Chanel’s personal experiences with early consent education and witnessing systemic injustice that led to the creation of Teach Us Consent?
• Why clear, affirmative consent is understood as the active seeking of an enthusiastic “yes,” rather than simply the absence of a “no” 
• Distinguishing between different categories of rape
• Does the normalization of misogyny and the lack of social consequences contribute to rape culture and make sexual assault socially acceptable within peer groups and broader society?
• How language and metaphors, like the “blueberry” analogy, reveal the hidden social dynamics where men benefit from gendered power structures
• How language shapes recognition of sexual assault and why survivors of coercion or subtle rape struggle to label their experience as “rape”
• The classification of sexual violence and shifting from focusing on the victim’s response to examining the perpetrator’s intent
• How trauma responses like fawning and hypersexuality can explain why survivors continue contact with perpetrators and challenge misconceptions about consent
• How can parents and adults support young people in navigating online sexual content and consent by having open, shame-free conversations early, rather than relying on abstinence messages
• Raising boys’ empathy to match girls’ and reduce entitlement, creating a culture where consent and respect are normalized

Resources: 

• Chanel’s Book, Consent Laid Bare: Sex, Entitlement, and the Distortion of Desire: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780063449381 
• For More About Chanel’s Work, Visit: https://www.teachusconsent.com/
• https://www.teachusconsent.com/resources#Podcasts
• Teach Us Consent Podcast Series: https://www.teachusconsent.com/resources#Podcasts 
• Connect with Chanel on Social Media:
• https://x.com/Chanelcontos
• https://www.instagram.com/chanelc/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/chanel-contos
• https://www.tiktok.com/@chanazc 

About Chanel Contos

Chanel Contos is an international award-winning activist and the founder of Teach Us Consent, a campaign that successfully mandated consent education across Australia and led to the criminalisation of stealthing in multiple states. 

She holds a Master’s in Education, Gender, and International Development from University College London and is currently completing a Master of Public Policy at the University of Oxford.

In 2022, Chanel was named by the BBC as one of the 100 most inspiring and influential women worldwide. Her work has received global attention, with coverage from the BBC, The New York Times, France24, and numerous other international outlets.

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If you shudder when Daylight Saving Time ends and the colder months settle in, or if winter leaves you feeling stuck in a funk, we’re here to present a different way to look at this stretch of the year.

In this episode, Kari Leibowitz, a health psychologist and author of 'How to Winter: Harness Your Mindset to Thrive on Cold, Dark, or Difficult Days,' joins Debbie to talk about her journey from being a self-proclaimed winter hater to a winter embracer. 

Kari shows us the impact of mindsets on our well-being, particularly during the cold, dark months, and offers practical strategies drawn from global research. You’ll also learn about the power of wintertime mindsets, adaptations for enjoying the season, and how to turn winter's perceived limitations into opportunities. 

Whether you love or loathe winter, this conversation will provide many tips to help you find joy and thrive during this often challenging season.

Listen and Learn: 

• How Kari’s accidental deep dive into Arctic life launched her decade-long exploration into winter mindsets and human flourishing
• How adopting a positive winter mindset can transform the season from something to endure into a source of enjoyment, opportunity, and greater well-being
• The ways mindsets shape your attention, motivation, behavior, and well-being, and how you can thrive during winter instead of merely enduring it
• Embracing a nuanced wintertime mindset to recognize both the challenges and pleasures of winter, stay present with your actual experiences, and develop a balanced, resilient, and practical approach to the season
• How seasonal changes naturally affect your energy and mood, and why embracing rest and adjusting expectations in winter can be healthy
• Evidence-based strategies to manage seasonal affective disorder that improve mood, resilience, and long-term well-being.

Resources: 

• Kari’s Website: https://www.karileibowitz.com/
• How to Winter: Harness Your Mindset to Thrive on Cold, Dark, or Difficult Days: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780593653753 
• Kari’s Substack, Wintery Mix: https://wintrymix.substack.com/ 

About Kari Leibowitz

Kari Leibowitz is a health psychologist, speaker, and writer, and the author of How to Winter: Harness Your Mindset to Thrive on Cold, Dark, or Difficult Days. She received her PhD in Psychology from Stanford University, served as a US-Norway Fulbright Scholar, and taught the ‘Mindsets Matter’ Stanford Continuing Studies Course. Leibowitz combines scholarly expertise with practical strategies to help people understand and harness the power of their mindsets and find joy in winter. Her writing on the power of wintertime mindset has appeared in the Atlantic, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. She has taught winter workshops to businesses, universities, non-profits, and organizations around the world. Kari lives in Amsterdam with her husband, son, and dog, where she is learning to love biking in the rain. 

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What do you do when your trust is broken, or when people start questioning your trustworthiness? Chances are, you’re left feeling unsure, even overwhelmed. Most of us don’t really understand how trust works, so trying to fix it can feel impossible.

In this episode, Peter Kim from USC's Marshall School of Business breaks it down for us. Drawing from his book How Trust Works, he shares over twenty years of research on what makes people trustworthy, why trust gets broken, and how relationships can actually be repaired.

Join us for a conversation about the science of trust and discover what it really takes to build, break, and restore the connections that matter most.

Listen and Learn: 

• Why trust is essential for cooperation, even though it makes us vulnerable, and how people who choose to trust ultimately function and flourish better than those who don’t
• How trust is defined as a willingness to be vulnerable in situations involving real risk, and why acting as if you trust someone is not the same as truly trusting them
• How trust violations fall into competence or integrity, and how we weigh positive and negative information differently for each, shaping how we perceive and respond to others’ actions
• The effectiveness of apologies depends on whether a violation is seen as a matter of competence or integrity, and how our motivation to preserve relationships influences the way we interpret and respond to wrongdoing
• Moving beyond black-and-white judgments of right and wrong to explore the gray areas in human behavior and foster a more nuanced understanding and dialogue
• How to begin rebuilding trust by acknowledging the other person’s concerns, assuming shared core values, and creating a safe space for honest, collaborative conversation, even when opinions deeply differ
• Why apologies for integrity violations are so hard to accept, and ways to reframe actions or create narratives that allow people to recognize errors and pursue redemption

Resources: 

• How Trust Works: The Science of How Relationships Are Built, Broken, and Repaired https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781250838155 
• Peter’s Website: https://peterhkim.com 
• Connect with Peter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterkim/ 
• My Octopus Teacher movie

About Peter Kim 

Peter is a Professor at USC's Marshall School of Business, where he teaches some of the most popular MBA courses around—probably because everyone wants to know why their apologies keep backfiring. His research on trust violation and repair has ten national and international awards, been featured everywhere from the New York Times to NPR, and culminated in his 2023 book How Trust Works: The Science of How Relationships Are Built, Broken, and Repaired, which won the Academy of Management's 'Distinguished Winner' award for making significant contributions to both science and practice.

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Parenting in the digital age can feel overwhelming, but it doesn’t have to be. For this episode, Emily brings in the insight of Ash Brandin for a thoughtful conversation about her book, Power On, and what healthy screen use can actually look like for families. 

With over 15 years of hands-on experience teaching in the classroom, Ash shares a perspective that moves away from fear and guilt, encouraging parents to think about screens with the same balance and neutrality we often bring to food or other everyday choices.

By the end, you’ll hopefully have a more compassionate lens for thinking about tech and some practical, flexible ideas for creating a calm, balanced approach to screen time that truly fits with your own family’s life.

Listen and Learn: 

• How viewing kids’ screen time with moral neutrality can help parents move past guilt and fear to understand the real purposes screens serve and the deeper systemic issues driving our reliance on them
• Why the old “two-hour screen limit” is outdated and oversimplified, and how a personalized family media plan can lead to healthier, more sustainable screen use
• Reframing of screen time and how systemic factors make it unfair to place all the blame or responsibility on individual parents, and why true change requires collective, not individual, solutions
• How self-determination theory explains kids’ relationships with screens, not as addiction but as a way to meet core needs for autonomy, competence, and connection, and how parents can stay neutral, understand what needs are being met, and help kids find healthy, varied ways to fulfill them
• Why not everything that releases dopamine is addictive, how our relationship to an activity matters more than the activity itself, and why screens aren’t “evil dopamine machines”

Resources: 

• Power on: Managing Screen Time to Benefit the Whole Family https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780306836992
• Ash’s Website https://www.thegamereducator.com/
• Connect with Ashon Social Media: 
• https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/ash-brandin025
• For More on Ash’s Work, Subscribe to their Substack https://thegamereducator.substack.com/ 

About Ash Brandin

Ash Brandin, EdS, known online as TheGamerEducator, empowers families to make screen time sustainable, manageable, and beneficial for the whole family. Now in their 15th year of teaching middle school, they help caregivers navigate the world of tech with consistent, loving boundaries, founded on respect for children, appreciation of video games and tech, and knowledge of pedagogical techniques. Ash has appeared on podcasts including Re:Thinking with Adam Grant, Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Care and Feeding from Slate, Brave Writer Podcast with Julie Bogart, Learning Curve with Mr. Chazz, Burnt Toast with Virginia Sole-Smith, Your Parenting Mojo with Jen Lumanlan, and Kid Talk with Katie Plunkett, and has contributed to articles featured on Romper, Scary Mommy, Lifehacker, The Daily Beast, USA Today, and NPR. Their bestselling book, "Power On: Managing Screen Time to Benefit the Whole Family" debuted in August, 2025. In their free time, Ash loves to hike, bake, play video games, and spend time with their family. 

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How do you show up in the world, whether it’s online, at work, or in your community? Whether you’ve thought about it or not, that’s all part of your personal brand. 

In this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock, Michael is joined by Goldie Chan, a personal branding expert, to unpack her book, Personal Branding for Introverts, and what personal branding really is and how it’s different from just having a reputation. They talk about how to choose the right platforms, why consistency matters when you’re sharing content, and how to stay authentic while still protecting your privacy. 

Goldie also shares smart, down-to-earth advice on setting boundaries, creating meaningful content, and building genuine connections, especially for introverts and small business owners. 

If you’ve ever wondered how to shape your public persona without feeling fake or overwhelmed, this episode is full of practical, encouraging insights.

Listen and Learn: 

• What a personal brand is and how it reflects how people outside your inner circle perceive you
• The key difference between reputation (what others say about you) and personal branding (what you intentionally communicate about yourself)
• The many components that make up a personal brand, both online and offline
• The key differences between “rented” and “owned” online spaces, including their pros, cons, and how the balance between them has evolved in today’s digital landscape
• Practical, ethical, and authentic strategies for creating and posting social media content, including how to choose the right platform, define their audience, and maintain a sustainable posting cadence
• Testing and adapting to new platforms, understanding where their target community actually is, and aligning their content style with both personal preference and audience expectations
• Why going viral doesn’t necessarily build a lasting or engaged community, and why focusing on meaningful conversations and evergreen content is more valuable than chasing virality
• How to balance authenticity and privacy when building a personal brand
• Expressing genuine personality and emotion online in a sustainable way that maintains connection without compromising personal well-being or energy

Resources: 

• Personal Branding for Introverts: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781541705463 
• Goldie’s Website https://www.goldiechan.com
• Warm Robots: https://www.warmrobots.com 
• Connect with Goldie on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/goldie 
• Debbie’s Substack article: Am I a Brand? (Part 1) https://drdebbiesorensen.substack.com/p/am-i-a-brand
• Ambivalence about marketing my business (as a therapist, writer, and small business owner)

About Goldie Chan

Goldie Chan is a creative, keynote speaker, author and cancer survivor. She was named the "Oprah of LinkedIn" by Huffington Post and her creative video channel won LinkedIn Top Voice for Social Media. Goldie founded Warm Robots in 2018, an award-winning social media strategy and creative agency based in Los Angeles with global clients. Previously, she wrote an internationally-recognized column for Forbes, which received nearly 10M views, and was named Journalist Of the Year in 2024. Goldie writes for Archie Comics and has been featured as a fresh voice in The New York Times, CNN, Fast Company, and many other outlets. Her first book, Personal Branding for Introverts, published with Basic Ventures in 2025. Goldie is based in sunny Los Angeles.

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