This week I spoke with longtime activist and author Dean Spade about the complexities of relationships and the challenges we face in a society shaped by disposability culture. We discussed the fear of being wrong in public and of conflict and feedback. He spoke about why self-help often falls short in addressing systemic issues and shared some insights from his latest book, Love in a F*cked Up World, which offers practical advice on navigating personal growth and connection in a world that often feels isolating and disconnected. I loved both the book and this conversation. Let us know if you listen!

Show notes:

- Dean's books | podcast | IG: @spade.dean

- My Substack | IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout

- Zine shop is here! - My Creative Clinic

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