A lovely long double loop of Hampstead Heath sees Paul and Rob in ruminative mood, talking hope and vaccines, stand-up comedy and the future, ornithology and horticulture, Rob's finish line theory, Paul's chicken cacciatore, running fast and fasting, and what to write next.

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