This might be the best business interview I’ve done all year. It’s one every business owner should hear.

In this episode, I sit down with Ryan Deiss—entrepreneur, investor, and founder of DigitalMarketer—who’s launched, scaled, and sold 17+ companies.

He’s not speaking from theory. He’s speaking from experience—and sometimes, scar tissue.

This isn’t just another systems conversation. It’s a full-on playbook for building a business that works without you. For founders who feel trapped in their own company… this one hits hard.

Here’s what you’ll take away:

• Why growth can trap you—and how scale sets you free

• The “sticky note” method to exit roles without burning the business down

• How founders become bottlenecks—and why doing less is a leadership skill

• The scorecard and constraint system Ryan uses to spot bottlenecks before they break your team

• Why hiring great people won’t fix broken systems—and what to do instead

• How to integrate AI to elevate your team’s performance (without replacing them)

• Why the role you’re in now may not be the role your business actually needs

• The question every founder should ask before they scale—or sell: What’s my next job?

Freedom doesn’t come from more hustle. It comes from better systems, clearer roles, and honest leadership.

🎧 Listen to Part 2 with Ryan Deiss now »

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