My guest this week, Rich Villodas, leads us through a fantastic conversation on the power of genograms and differentiation and gives us concrete tools to help us navigate our emotional and anxious worlds. Rich shares profound thoughts that will help us engage deeper with our true self. One of my favorite interviews! Rich is the lead pastor of New Life Fellowship, a large, multiracial church with more than seventy-three countries represented in Elmhurst, Queens. His book The Deeply Formed Life is available for pre order and releases in September. Prior to becoming lead pastor, he gave oversight to New Life's small group ministry and served as preaching pastor. Rich has a BA in pastoral ministry and theology from Nyack College and an MDiv from Alliance Theological Seminary. He enjoys reading widely, and preaching and writing on contemplative spirituality, justice-related issues, and the art of preaching. He's been married to Rosie since 2006 and they have two beautiful children, Karis and Nathan.