This week I spoke with the iconic writer and editor Christene Barberich. I first knew of her as the co-founder and editor-in-chief of Refinery29. I’ve loved her work for years, through R29, her own writing, and the podcast she hosted for many years called Unstyled, so when recent guest Erika Veurink connected us, I was thrilled.

We spoke about starting R29 and what that time was like, reflecting on some of her best interviews with everyone from Linda Rodin to Jenny Slate. She also talked about leaving her role there and the excitement of new beginnings. At the root of her newest project, A Tiny Apt., is how the right environment fosters growth, creativity, safety and vulnerability, particularly as that relates to big dramatic change and leaps of faith. She discussed the changes she’s been navigating: becoming a mom later in life; the double standard of aging especially as it relates to work; how she’s redefining success and ambition as she enters this new era of her work and life. I loved getting to talk to her and I’m eager for her to return.  Let us know if you listen!

Show notes:

- Find Christene on the Web | Instagram

- Unstyled podcast | A Tiny Apt. substack

- Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack

- A couple spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a call with me here

- Check out the Let It Out Kits | Write Kit | Talk Kit Waitlist

- More on Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist

If you liked this episode, try out from the archive:

Episode 452 Long Live: Erika Veurink Is Here (Part 1 of 2)