In this episode, host Mike Tuchscherer talks with Coach Mel Kasper and Jacob Tsypkin about learning skills in powerlifting and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. They compare two ideas: one that views skill as coming from how athletes interact with their environment, and another that sees skill as a mental model created through thinking. The conversation includes practical applications of these theories, emphasizing the importance of real, resisted practice and individual variation in training.