For the full interview go : HERE

Jeff and TJ sit down with Enneagram author Steph Barron Hall to rethink everything we’ve been told about arrows.

Instead of simple “disintegration and growth” lines, Steph walks us into high side/low side movement in both directions, the role of Soul Child / recovery points, and how arrows actually support transformation when paired with balance in the three centers. Along the way we talk stress versus security as motive-based experiences, “unintentional drift” versus intentional movement, and why some stress is the resistance we need to grow.