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The Chaplain Who Taught Steve Systems Theory: George Doebler


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So much of our experience is shaped by what gets passed down to us. Whether it's trauma, wisdom, or a signature hair color, traits and knowledge travel from generation to generation.

On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss welcomes George Dobeler, the chaplain who first passed down the concept of family systems theory to Cuss. Doebler and Cuss talk about Doebler's learning from Murray Bowen, who founded the theory. They discuss the importance of understanding one’s family system when it comes to diffusing anxiety. Doebler and Cuss provide real-life examples of systems theory helping people become less reactive and more in touch with God, themselves, and others. 

Their conversation covers chaplaincy, trauma recovery, and how theology shapes our responses to anxiety.

Resources mentioned in this episode include: 

  • Bowen family systems theory
  • George Doebler
  • Murray Bowen
  • Harry Stack Sullivan
  • Edwin H. Friedman
  • Genogram
  • Friedman’s Fables by Edwin H. Friedman
  • A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix by Edwin H. Friedman


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