Been There Got Out Podcast

The Child's Voice in High-Conflict Divorce & Co-Parenting


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Embark on a journey of transformation with Nicolle Kopping-Pavars, a former children's lawyer who's traded the gavel for guiding others toward inner peace. Our conversation unveils the often unseen emotional landscape navigated by children amid family legal battles. Nicolle's shift from the courtroom to mindfulness coaching lays bare the raw truths of advocacy and the critical importance of a child's sense of security during family turmoil.

Nicolle offers a rare glimpse into the life of a children's lawyer in Canada, revealing the complex dance of parental communication within legal disputes. She underscores the concept of 'response-ability,' a parental imperative to conduct themselves in a manner that shields their children from the storm of conflict. Our discussion takes a deep look at the intricacies of interviewing children in custody cases, highlighting the finesse required to preserve their authentic voices against the backdrop of potential parental coaching.

We round out our discussion with practical wisdom for parents on how to support their children's well-being through the seismic shifts of divorce. By sharing strategies that respect a child's perspective in family court and assessing the emotional toll of parental separation, we chart a course for families to emerge stronger and more connected. Nicolle's insights serve as a beacon for navigating these choppy waters, ensuring that the voices of the young remain both heard and protected.

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