In this episode, Dave is joined by Eli Rubel. Eli is the CEO of Matter Made and NoBoringDesign and a Marketing Advisor for companies like Dropbox and Loom. 

Eli discusses how companies that take risks with their design and go outside the brand guidelines will stand out in the sea of sameness and drive more pipeline. He also discusses

• His framework for focusing on 'micro surfaces' that lead to bigger wins
• The importance of timing in email marketing
• How to properly analyze the efficiency of your marketing spend

Timestamps

• (00:00) - Design and brand as competitive differentiators

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In this episode, Dave sits down with Peep Laja. Peep is an entrepreneur; he founded a portfolio of companies, including CXL, Speero, and Wynter. He's the active CEO for Wynter, a B2B target customer insights platform. Peep also hosts the How to Win podcast.

Peep takes us through the founding story of Wynter, effective strategies for messaging and its impact on conversion rates. You'll also learn how to take customer feedback and use it to create marketing messages that resonate.

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Introduction

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This week, Dave is joined by Brian Kotlyar. Brian leads Marketing and Growth at Hightouch and previously led teams at Sprinklr, Intercom, and New Relic. He shares his perspective on

• Aligning revenue teams toward common goals
• The importance of an effective messaging strategy
• Prioritizing numerous ideas from CEOs
• A high-reward compensation approach

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Performance metrics and career motivation

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Kelly Gordon and Matthew Kanter are marketing recruiters at Creative People and join Dave to share some insider strategies to help you land your next marketing job and make your next big career move.

Creative People is a recruiting firm specializing in the Series A to Series D world and Matthew and Kelly bring in-depth knowledge of roles in B2B SaaS and marketing leadership. This conversation dives into advice on how to navigate the job search, understand your worth in the market, and effectively advocate for yourself during the hiring process. Topics include using LinkedIn for personal branding, negotiating job offers, researching compensation, and how (and why) to look without looking.

Matthew and Kelly share insights on the nuances of recruiting, the importance of building personal connections, and how recruiters should approach hiring for roles that might be new to an organization. Throughout the discussion, they stress the importance of being proactive about career development, being honest about one's own job preferences, and how to ensure a potential employer's values align with one's own.

Timestamps:

00:00 Maximizing Your Career Potential.
05:20 Navigating Career Transitions.
09:08 Smart Career Moves: Assessing Company Fit & Interviews.
11:24 Interviewing Insights: Evaluating Company Fit & Ideal Timelines.
14:23  Importance of Efficient Hiring Process for Role Success.
18:26 Candidates must embrace ambiguity and self-sufficiency.
21:36 Emphasizing relationship building in career advancement.
26:58 Career Focus and Motivation on LinkedIn.
29:44 The importance of honest self-assessment for job seekers.
31:05 Navigating Compensation Negotiations.
35:52 Importance of honesty and negotiation in job offers.
38:55 Importance of Effective Outreach in Job Recruitment.
40:51 Connect with Matt and Kelly on LinkedIn.

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Why make an explainer video when you can make a rap anthem?

Created and produced by Ding Zheng, featuring Jeff Porter (two Exit Five members).

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Amanda Natividad is VP of Marketing at SparkToro. She's also a contributor for Adweek, a Le Cordon Bleu-trained chef, and a former journalist. Dave and Amanda catch up after Amanda's return to work after having her second child, talk about trends they are seeing in B2B marketing today and what Amanda's seen work at SparkToro (including email strategy and LinkedIn). Plus they talk about the path to CMO - and why Amanda enjoys being a team of one.

00:00 - Webinar Promotion Without Links and Returning to Work After Maternity Leave.
06:04 - The Emotional Impact of Parental Leave.
08:40 - Navigating Career Paths in Marketing.
12:10 - SparkToro's Audience Research Tool and Growth Strategy.
14:31 - VP of Marketing at SparkToro: Managing Top-of-Funnel, Organics, and Events.
19:11 - Rethinking the pursuit of status in business.
22:10 - Contemplating financial gains and their true value.
23:10 - Prioritizing time over extra income for happiness.
29:26 -Transitioning from Consulting to Content Business: The Evolution of Exit Five.
32:01 - The challenges and potential rewards of solopreneurship.
34:16 - Navigating Hiring and Trust in a Small Team
38:05 - Strategic Email Marketing at Sparktoro: Balancing Frequency and Impact.
41:06 - Sparktoro's Email Strategy: Quality over Quantity and List Management Tactics.
43:08 - The challenge of balancing marketing strategies.
48:25 - Optimizing LinkedIn Strategy: Pinning Comments and Zero-Click Content.
50:32 - Embedding Webinar Links in Blog Posts for Engagement
52:53 - Closing Thoughts.

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Paul Roetzer is a marketing AI expert and educator with 20+ years of experience in the marketing industry. He is the founder and CEO of Marketing AI Institute, a media, event, and online education company that makes AI accessible, approachable, and actionable for marketers and business leaders. He is also the co-author of Marketing Artificial Intelligence: AI, Marketing and the Future of Business, a book that explores the impact and opportunities of AI on marketing.

Paul shares his journey from building a successful marketing agency (PR 20/20) and being an early adopter of inbound marketing as HubSpot's first official partner to now today building the Marketing AI institute. Paul talks about why he's bullish on AI for B2B marketers and shares examples of how AI has streamlined tasks for his podcast, from scripting to content distribution.

Check out the Marketing AI Institute's "AI for B2B Marketers Summit" coming in June.

The conversation covers practical applications of AI in marketing, strategies for using AI tools effectively, and the broader implications of AI in the business world.

00:00 - Introduction: Guest Introduction and Episode Overview
01:30 - Paul Roetzer's Early Ventures into Information Products
03:00 - Success with the Agency Academy and Course Series
05:00 - Inventing a Point Pricing Model for Service Companies
07:00 - The Decision Against Building a SaaS Product
09:00 - The Importance of Building an Audience for Memberships/Courses
12:00 - Paul's Journey into the World of AI
15:00 - Establishing the Marketing AI Institute: Media, Events, and Education
18:00 - Explosive Growth of the AI Introductory Class
21:00 - The Emergence of ChaTGPT and Its Impact on AI in Marketing
25:00 - Challenges Before AI Breakthroughs in Language and Image Generation
28:00 - The Evolution of Paul Roetzer's Career and Focus on AI Literacy
32:00 - Transitioning from Service Business to Content Membership Model
35:00 - The Launch and Unexpected Success of the Podcast
38:00 - Implementing AI in Podcast Content Strategy and Creation
41:00 - The Significance of AI in Today's Marketing Landscape
44:00 - How Enterprises Are Adapting to AI Tools
47:00 - Practical Applications of AI in Marketing and Content Maximization
50:00 - The "Smart Intern" Approach to Using AI Creatively
53:00 - Paul Roetzer’s Tips for Utilizing AI Language Models Like GPT-4
56:00 - Discussing the Future of AI in Marketing and Business Operations
58:00 - Conclusion: Final Thoughts and Upcoming AI Events

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Alex Minor is a podcast producer, video marketing strategist, and founder of Eye AM Media. Alex specializes in helping businesses harness the power of video content to reach their dream customers. Alex, originally from a music and audio engineering background, shifted his focus to the realm of video and social media as he started to work with clients and figure out what's working on YouTube, LinkedIn, TikTok, and other social media channels today.

Key Topics and Timestamps from this episode:

00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:15 - The significance of first impressions in video content
00:02:30 - Alex Minor's transition from music to video content creation
00:04:00 - Addressing misconceptions about video for businesses
00:06:10 - Developing an effective video strategy
00:08:20 - Revisiting and repurposing old content
00:10:35 - Scriptwriting techniques for video
00:12:45 - Overcoming "expert blindness" to create valuable content
00:15:00 - Workflow management with Asana
00:16:50 - The importance of a compelling opening hook
00:18:30 - Cat discussion interlude
00:19:05 - The crucial nature of the video script’s first line
00:20:25 - Pros and cons of introducing oneself in short-form videos
00:22:00 - Ideal length for short-form scripts
00:24:15 - The power of conveying information in short videos
00:26:30 - Recording techniques for seamless videos
00:28:45 - The role of practice and memorization in short-form video delivery
00:31:00 - Filming and editing times for creating perfect videos
00:33:25 - Alex Minor on LinkedIn
00:34:40 - Potential for a follow-up episode
00:35:50 - Selecting the right social media platforms for content distribution
00:38:05 - The concept of "being a broken record" in content delivery
00:40:20 - Short form content challenges and strategic uses
00:42:30 - Video podcasting trends and benefits
00:44:45 - The evolving landscape of podcast distribution
00:47:00 - Podcasting as a business strategy
00:49:15 - Alternative podcast content creation strategies
00:51:30 - Commentary podcasts and reacting to content
00:53:45 - Ideas for generating content and using tools like Chat GPT

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Dave is joined by Hillary Carpio, Head of ABM at Snowflake for a deep dive on account-based marketing. Hillary runs a 20 person team focused on ABM at Snowflake today an she's also the author of the book "Busting Silos: How Snowflake Unites Sales & Marketing To Win Its Best Customers."

Hillary discusses how Snowflake has built an "account-based organization", ABM vs. Demand Generation, how to measure ABM, what an effective ABM campaign looks like, creating a tiered ABM strategy, how marketing exists to support sales at Snowflake and why it works, how tools like ChatGPT can help ABM marketers today.

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Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

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Kipp Bodnar is Chief Marketing Officer at HubSpot and co-hosts the popular "Marketing Against The Grain" podcast. Kipp joins Dave to talk about his path from managing the HubSpot blog to CMO, what changes from individual contributor to marketing exec, how HubSpot's marketing has evolved over the years, and some predictions for 2024.

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Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

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