In honour of the formidable Dame Deborah James, we are re-releasing this very special podcast episode.

Having avidly followed the highs and lows of Deborah’s journey, Holly was honoured to have had the pleasure of speaking with her in 2020, and it’s a memory she will always treasure in her heart. 

In this episode, Deborah James, also known as Bowelbabe, joins Holly to talk about the rebellious spirit that would define her journey, from gymnast to Deputy Headteacher, journalist to campaigner — and then coping with the news that so many of us fear. It's quite remarkable now to hear the original plans she made then, which led to her raising millions of pounds for cancer research through her Bowelbabe fund. 

Deborah has left such a phenomenal mark on the world and her legacy will shine bright forever more. If there are any words to live by, it’s Deborah’s motto that we should all have no regrets, believe that we can do things we never thought possible, and most importantly — to always, always have rebellious hope.