Broadcaster, entertainer and my brother-from-another-mother Pio Terei joins me for a conversation about the privilege it is to age - because not everyone gets to.

We talk about where he's at with his journey of grief following the loss of his son Teina in 2016, the role curiosity plays in ageing well, as well as swap stories on our intergenerational living set-ups. As serious as we tried to be, plenty of laughs were had - because how could you not when you're chatting with Pio Terei?

If you're interested in more delicious kōrero I've had with Pio, check out the episode When Has Food Felt Like Love? on my other podcast Sunday Sanctuary - wherever you get your favourite podcasts.

Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.

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