In this episode, I'm very excited to be joined by one of my very good friends, Tim Ringgold. I met him when we were at a speaking competition in Dallas and Tim and I just kind of connected. So a couple of years ago, Tim, won the very competition that I was speaking at, and just by the serendipity of the nature of being in small groups and conferences and a couple few hundred people, Tim and I got to have a conversation, and throughout that conversation just kept noticing these intricacies that he and I had as far as parallels in our journey and our story we had suffered a tremendous amount of loss and people in our lives through death, through murder, and through suicide.

We talk about his experience with grief, with death, with losing his five best friends with overcoming that, with going through this process in which we learn to heal, through community, through connection. Tim is a music therapist, he talks about his journey and even plays a little song here at the end for us. So this conversation is heavy. It's very enlightening, very beautiful, powerful, it's a conversation that I know that I am very grateful for being able to have had and I look forward to having Tim in the future.

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