Today we're talking to Tony Kanaan, who is an Indy car driver and was a team-mate of mine. So for me, I was really interested in hearing about him as a person in his life. That's just stuff you don't get into when you're friends. You just kind of going about your life and your work. But I really wanted to dive into that. And so we did. And he had a lot of really great perspective on the challenges of not just the job itself, because it's hard.  But really what I wanted to know about his life. So we talked about the balance of that and how to grow as a human being to being a happier person. Please enjoy.