Burnout is real—and building your career while figuring out who you are? Even harder. Enter The Burnouts: Join best friends Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni as they try to launch their first company and make sense of the chaos that is a career in your 20s.

They’re not pretending to have all the answers—but they’re asking the people who just might. Sophia and Phoebe sit down with guests who’ve actually made it to talk candidly about careers, ambition, burnout, and everything they wish they knew sooner.

Whether you’re navigating your first job, thinking about a big pivot, or just trying to survive Monday, The Burnouts is here to keep it real. New episodes every Tuesday.

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