There's been a lot of chat on the podcast recently about the reality of scaling a business... so I thought it was about time to take it back and share some of what nobody tells you about starting out.

Choosing the co-host for this conversation was a no brainer as Fi is the author of Out Of Office, a straight talking guide on all things freelancing. Reflecting on what we wish we'd known at the start, Fi and I discussed everything from the link between mental health and money to how we've learnt to stay away from burnout by spotting the signs early.

If you're in the early stages I so hope this episode helps you avoid some of the mistakes we had to learn the hard way!

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Fi's book is out now! Available in all good book stores as they say & online.

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