To create a vegan world, we need to give the people chicken. Sounds like an oxymoron, but the VP of Farm Animal Protection at the Humane Society of the United States is paving the way for people to ditch the cruelty and still enjoy the foods they love. His career spans undercover investigation work, negotiating with corporations to include plant-based options, supporting companies the produce plant-based animal alternatives, and passing legislation in favor of animal welfare. He co-founded the internationally known JUST (the makers of vegan eggs and now, no-kill chicken) and was instrumental in passing Prop 12 in California. Josh's affable personality and positive energy make him a delight to listen to—when Josh speaks, even the darkest topics glimmer with hope.

What we discuss in this episode:

- Josh's transition from baseball hopeful to animal advocate

- Going undercover in a chicken slaughterhouse

- The founding of JUST and its run-in with the egg lobby

- The first "no-kill" (clean meat) chicken

- The significance of Prop 12 in California in 2018

- The Humane Society of the United States

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