Welcome to episode 187 of the Bodybuilding Down Under podcast!

The boys are joined by Dr. Eric Helms for a wide-ranging and honest conversation following WNBF Worlds 2025.

We start with a full Worlds wrap-up from an athlete perspective, unpacking what actually matters on the day, judging quality, stage lighting, athlete experience, communication, and how this year stacked up against previous Worlds.

The conversation then shifts into drug-tested sport, integrity, and the future of natural bodybuilding, including nuanced discussion around drug testing, access, fairness, and how emerging pharmaceuticals may challenge current definitions of natural competition.

We wrap up with a deep dive into autoregulation in training and nutrition, breaking down common misconceptions, who it’s appropriate for, how elite athletes actually apply it in practice, and why autonomy and athlete literacy become increasingly important at higher levels of competition.

A long-form episode covering so many important topics, enjoy!