This week, Katie and Helen interview Jo Reader and Cat Chappell, two amazing therapists who are experts on and trainers in Fatphobia. 

Listen as they discuss how fatphobia exists in society, and how narcissistic parents exploit it to dominate and control their children, and hopefully to help you start challenging some of those narratives yourself.  

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