At Work with The Ready

At Work with The Ready

By Rodney Evans and Sam SpurlinBusinessEntrepreneurshipManagement
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At Work with The Ready episodes

  • Brave New Work 81. Two Thumbs Up for the Four-Day Workweek

    Odds are you’ve seen an article (or 20) about some company somewhere testing out a four-day workweek. And if you’ve scrolled past the story to the comments, you’ve probably spied a few cheers…and plenty of jeers. Punching in five days a week might seem like the natural working order—but it’s less a fixed and unchallengeable fact and more a human-shaped choice we can, you know, shape differently.


    In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan asks Rodney Evans about lessons learned from her own four-day workweek experiment, how to navigate relationships with coworkers on different schedules, and why a four-day workweek is labor’s next evolutionary leap forward.


    Mentioned references:

    • Wesley, from The Princess Bride
    • Gilmore Girls S3E11 “I Solemnly Swear”
    • Plinko boards
    • Icelandic study around 4 day work week
    • Anne Helen Petersen episode: BNW Ep. 77 with Anne Helen Petersen
    • Henry Ford and the 40 hour work week
    • Anne Helen Petersen article “Who’s Afraid of the Four Day Work Week?”
    • op rhythm: BNW Ep. 118
    • retrospectives
    • remote work episode: AWWTR Ep. 4
    • Joel at Buffer episode: BNW Ep. 6 with Joel Gascoigne
    • Fosbury flop
    • Atlantic “Kill the Five-Day Work Week”
    • JEDI work: BNW Ep. 40 with Sharan Bal
    • UBI (universal basic income)
    • New Deal

    • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

      We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

      Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

      50 min
    • Brave New Work 80. Unsuck Your Next Work Meeting with Sam Spurlin

      If we’ve said it once, we’ve said it a thousand times: Meetings are the worst. Instead of being a meaningful work tool to help teams strategize efficiently, meetings more often block things—anything—from actually getting done. At The Ready, we’ve got a different method: action meetings.


      In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans invite longtime member Sam Spurlin on the show to dispense a step-by-step guide to implementing and scaling effective action meetings. They break down the best ways to “get people what they need” and reveal how to keep the action-meeting train chugging along into the future.


      (Editor's note: this might be Sam's first appearance on the show, but it won't be his last! He'll return to co-host the Future of HR miniseries with Rodney in 2023, and then Aaron formally passes the co-host baton to him at the start of 2024.)


      Get Sam's in-depth guide to Action Meetings.


      Learn more about Sam on LinkedIn, or at his website.


      Mentioned references:

      • CARROT weather
      • A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole
      • Oura Ring
      • Hacks, TV show
      • Joan Rivers
      • "tactical meeting"
      • The Ready’s OS Canvas
      • self-management: BNW Ep. 79 with Michael Y. Lee
      • Around (Miro meeting tool): https://www.around.co/
      • "Tom Thomison episode": BNW Ep. 16 with Thomas Thomison

      • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

        We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

        Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

        39 min
      • Brave New Work 79. Can Hybrid Work...Work?

        It’s a major question on many minds these days: When will the office reopen? Or rather: Will the office reopen? Different countries are in very different stages of heading back to physical workspaces (or not); in the United States, the prospect of on-premise work is inching closer as companies struggle to decide between three main models: fully in-office; fully remote; or…maybe some mix of both?


        In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans unpack why floppy hybrid models are doomed to fail, different flavors of creativity (that don’t rely on glass-walled conference rooms), and what the most adaptive path forward could look like.


        Mentioned references:

        • "Sid and GitLab": BNW Ep. 35 with Sid Sijbrandij
        • Ted Rau: BNW Ep. 74 with Ted Rau
        • A World Without Email, by Cal Newport
        • "2003 SARS mask wearing in Hong Kong"

        • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

          We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

          Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

          39 min
        • Brave New Work 78. Self-Management is Harder Than You Think with Michael Y. Lee

          It’s no surprise that we’re fans of self-management, and we talk a lot about its benefits and transformative potential. But sometimes we forget just how much traditional hierarchy is baked into the operating system of our work cultures—and of our personal lives. So when self-management and hierarchy smash into each other, there can be a steep, sometimes uncomfortable learning curve.


          In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk with Michael Y. Lee, an assistant professor of organizational behavior at INSEAD, about how orgs prepare and smartly scaffold for self-management, growing academic research into impactful org design, and how the pandemic presented a unique challenge for his work.


          Learn more about Michael on LinkedIn or at his website.


          Learn more about INSEAD on their website or on Youtube.


          Mentioned references:

          • Oura ring
          • Dave’s Hot Chicken in Denver, CO
          • Voodoo Doughnut
          • Zappos
          • Holacracy
          • ”mastery”: BNW Ep. 31
          • Valve, video game company
          • The Ready's OS Canvas
          • Doug Kirkpatrick and The Morning Star Company: BNW Ep. 54 with Doug Kirkpatrick
          • Haier
          • anti-fragility
          • "Lisa Gill episode": BNW Ep. 73 with Lisa Gill
          • Michael’s episode of Lisa Gill’s podcast

          • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

            We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

            Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

            51 min
          • Brave New Work 77. Beating Burnout with Anne Helen Petersen

            Say (or sigh) it with us now: burnout. As a physic state, it can be hard to precisely diagnose but you know it when you see it—and when you feel it. As remote work becomes a larger presence in our lives, it’s more important than ever to recognize why and when we need meaningful breaks.


            In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to Anne Helen Petersen, author of Can’t Even: How Millennials Became the Burnout Generation and the newsletter “Culture Study,” about the difference between setting boundaries versus guardrails, LARPing through your job, and what we can do to extinguish burnout.


            Learn more about Anne on LinkedIn, Twitter, or by subscribing to her newsletter.


            Read Anne's latest books:

            • Can't Even
            • Out of Office

            • Mentioned references:

              • Anne’s 2019 burnout article
              • WHO’s classification of “burnout” as occupational phenomenon
              • New York Times "Yolo Economy" article
              • Cal Newport and "isolation from other minds"
              • Ezra Klein
              • John Herrman “LARPing your job”
              • Anne’s 2021 "4 Day Work Week article"
              • Charlie Warzel

              • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

                We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

                Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

                47 min
              • Brave New Work 76. When Purpose Meets Profit with Mara Zepeda

                Instead of talking about Unicorn companies, we should be spending more of our energy on Zebras—companies that are black and white, that pursue both purpose and profit. In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to Mara Zepeda of Zebras Unite, a founder-led co-op, about how to build a community with your company, collective ownership, and what the future of capital investment should—and will—look like.



                Learn more about Mara on her website, on LinkedIn, and at Zebras Unite.


                Mentioned references:

                • Boyz II Men
                • "Zebras fix what unicorns break”
                • SOCAP
                • Shel Silverstein
                • Margaret Wheatley
                • Hopi
                • Nora Bateson
                • Reinventing Organizations: BNW Ep. 18 with Frederic Laloux
                • sociocracy: BNW Ep. 74 with Ted Rau
                • "terra incognita"
                • Ari Weinzweig
                • Depth psychology
                • Warm Data
                • "symmathesy"
                • Baháʼí Faith
                • Saint John of the Cross
                • Saint Teresa of Ávila
                • Charles Eisenstein
                • Drivers Cooperative
                • Tony Hsieh
                • Nathan Schneider, UC Boulder
                • Gumroad
                • Audra Lorde

                • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

                  We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

                  Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

                  50 min
                • Brave New Work 75. When the CEO Fires Themselves with Michael Bungay Stanier and Shannon Minifie

                  Let's talk about succession. No, not the show, but the concept. How do progressive, human-centric organizations deal with succession, and role changes, and new management, all while maintaining a high level of success?


                  In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to Michael Bungay Stanier and Shannon Minifie of Box of Crayons—about Michael stepping down and handing the reins of the organization to Shannon, the roadblocks the transition ran into, and how to go about it all without rocking the boat.


                  Learn more about Shannon on LinkedIn, on Youtube, or by visiting Box of Crayons.


                  Learn more about Michael on LinkedIn, on Youtube, or from listening to his previous episode of Brave New Work about 1:1s.


                  Mentioned references:

                  • Bruce Springsteen
                  • E Street Band
                  • ABBA
                  • "Hotel California"
                  • Coaching Habit, by Michael Bungay Stanier
                  • Fierce Conversations, by Susan Scott
                  • "participatory governance": BNW Ep. 43

                  • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

                    We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

                    Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

                    50 min
                  • 74. Who Decides Who Decides with Ted Rau

                    With his organization Sociocracy for All, Ted Rau is helping organizations empower their members, and put a spotlight on equity. In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to Ted about his book, Many Voices One Song, consent-based decision-making, and the challenges of getting the ball rolling with large orgs.


                    Learn more about Ted and his work:

                    • On LinkedIn
                    • Sociocracy For All
                    • Many Voices One Song
                    • Who Decides Who Decides?

                    • Mentioned references:

                      • Notting Hill, 1999 movie
                      • Jerry Koch-Gonzalez
                      • "RACI": AWWTR Ep. 10
                      • Teal
                      • Gerard Endenburg

                      • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

                        We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

                        Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

                        48 min
                      • Brave New Work 73. Embracing Discomfort with Lisa Gill

                        There are elephants in the room, and then there are "Moose Heads on the Table." This book, by Lisa Gill and Karen Tenelius, describes the concept as workplace taboos that are simultaneously ingrained and incredibly toxic for getting things done.


                        In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to Lisa about how to embrace this discomfort at work, and what self-managing organizations can do to empower their employees to speak up when things aren't working.


                        Get Lisa's book, Moose Heads On The Table.


                        Learn more about Lisa on her website, LinkedIn, or by listening to her podcast, Leadermorphosis.


                        Mentioned references:

                        • "Basecamp episode": BNW Ep. 71
                        • "fuddy duddy"
                        • Reinventing Organizations: BNW Ep. 18 with Frederic Laloux
                        • "ASCATS": BNW Ep. 65 with Alastair Steward
                        • The Ready's Tension and Practice Cards
                        • Jorge Silva, from 10Pines
                        • Frederic Laloux's "Insights for the Journey" videos
                        • Liberating Structures: BNW Ep. 49 with Keith McCandless
                        • Reinventing Work's global community

                        • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

                          We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

                          Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

                          49 min
                        • Brave New Work 72. Legalese in the Future of Work with Jason Wiener

                          It's not a question, but a fact: the conventional legal doctrine governing the 21st century workplace is woefully far behind.


                          In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to attorney Jason Wiener about the incredible disconnect between current legal norms and modern business, and how he works to ensure equitable business ownership to the forefront of the conversation.


                          Learn more about Jason on his website, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Instagram.


                          Mentioned references:

                          • slap bracelet
                          • MC Hammer pants
                          • Blossom, TV show
                          • School of Industrial Labor Relations
                          • Clerky
                          • LegalZoom
                          • "organizational debt"
                          • "business judgement rule"
                          • DAOs: BNW Ep. 96 with Chase Chapman

                          • Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com

                            We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]

                            Looking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

                            50 min

                          About At Work with The Ready

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                          Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re…

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