If, like us, you've been following Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham's work for years 'n years, you're going to really relish digging into Black Futures, the sweeping anthology they created together. This week, we're chatting with the duo about celebrating Blackness, developing a friendship over the course of a creative collaboration, and, um, mispronouncing words. Oh, and before they join us, we're discussing why really big versions of things make good gifts.

You thought we were done with gift ideas? Heck no. 1) a 6- or 12-month gift sub to Secret Menu. 2) DONATIONS! 3) lots of something you know someone already loves. For us, we're talking jumbo takes on Luxardo cherries, Maldon salt, Fruit Roll-Ups, Oribe Gold Lust Repair & Restore Conditioner, Ghirardelli brownie mix, Tate's cookies, sriracha, that Kacey Musgraves x Boy Smells candle, and Red Boat fish sauce and salt.

Grab your copy of Black Futures (which, by the way: great gift). To keep up on Jenna and Kimberly's book tour—and to feel very in-the-know in general—follow both of them on IG: @jennydeluxe and @museummammy respectively.

Black Futures inspirations: The Black Book edited by Toni Morrison, Black Women Writers at Work by Claudia Tate, Losing Ground directed by Kathleen Collins (and just the scope and scale of Kathleen Collins's work broadly), the F series at The Studio Museum in Harlem, and adrienne maree brown (and her book introductions specifically).

Of the SO MANY moments, undertakings, and talents Black Futures delves into, a few this episode touches on: Martine Rose, Black Mama's Bail Out, and the birth of Black Lives Matter in the Facebook posts of Alicia Garza and Patrisse Cullors.

And visit www.hilma.co/ATHINGORTWO to get the Hilma starter set, with a free gift and 20% off!

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