Hello friends! As I get ready to bring the pod back, I am taking this opportunity to debut my friend and colleague Lisa Schlosberg's very brand new baby. Lisa has been inspiring people for years with her own work, and in the beautiful ways in which she carries the message of mine. I hope you enjoy this interview we did together!

Nicole Sachs, LCSW shares her story and explains this work in the clearest of terms. Topics:

[3:55] Nicole tells her story. At 19 her “back goes out” and she is diagnosed with an abnormality in her lower spine. The doctor warned her there would be no more long car rides, no more sports, and that it was very unlikely she would be able to have children (something she wanted more than anything in the world). She was told that without surgery, she would not live long past 40. Nicole headed back to college and began to live a life of chronic pain and chronic fear. [8:43] Nicole becomes aware of the work of Dr. John Sarno, a revolutionary medical doctor, speaking about how a mind-body connection, our trauma, and the emotional world actually affect us physically. She began exploring case studies and decided to do a science experiment on herself. Wondering with curiosity in place of fear, “Is there more to this than I had known before?” [11:30] Nicole describes freeing herself of chronic pain through Dr. Sarno’s work, JournalSpeak, and understanding the mind-body connection. It has been 20 years since she’s had back pain despite her scans looking exactly as they did when she was 19 years old. Nicole gave birth to 3 beautiful children. She is free. [14:40] Nicole explains the connection between the emotional world and physical world as it pertains not only to chronic pain… and also emotional eating. [17:48] Nicole touches on brain science and how our nervous system chooses chronic pain as an act of love. [21:45] Lisa explains how her work and Nicole’s work are very much the same and how we are connected through human pain. [25:45] Nicole explains how she created her brand and how she came up with “The Cure for Chronic Pain,” even though she believes it is truly, “The Cure for Everything,” and how chronic pain includes not only physical illness but also mental issues like anxiety and/or depression. [30:09] Nicole says the pain is not in your head and is not your fault. Your nervous system is operating in a way to protect you. [32:45] Nicole talks about the influence of Lisa’s work on her own relationship to emotional eating and body image, and how she can observe herself emotionally eating and invites herself to feel her feelings. [34:15] Lisa shares how negative thoughts about her body were a distraction from grieving her father’s impending death. [39:58] Nicole shares what Lisa believes to be a very important concept: “Life is a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse.” [43:45] Lisa and Nicole share about their past and present relationship with emotional eating. [48:13] Nicole gives a quick overview of her work and what it means to “get free.” Resources: Nicole: For More Info and Nicole’s Online Courses and Virtual Retreats: www.thecureforchronicpain.com Listen to “The Cure for Chronic Pain” Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts “The Meaning of Truth” https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Truth-embrace-truth-create/dp/1482387352 JournalSpeak Facebook Group  Nicole Sachs' Support Circle Lisa: Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Join the Community with an Out of the Cave Membership: https://www.outofthecave.health/membership