When your husband was a deeply kind and loving person who brought joy and warmth into the lives of the people around him, it goes without saying that this is the kind of person everyone needs. Katie Goetz shares with Anita and Mel how the complications of addiction came as a shock, because she didn’t know he had been struggling until he became seriously ill. The addiction had been hidden, largely because of the shame and fear he carried.

Their marriage was loving and real, which makes the story more complicated, not less. Katie talks about the experience of looking back on a relationship that was supportive and meaningful while also processing the hidden reality of addiction and the secrecy that shame can create. 

Katie is also a historical researcher, which leads to a fascinating dive into widowhood across history. The conversation looks at how widows throughout history were treated in their time, the discomfort people have long had with widowed women, and the ways widows themselves have responded to those reactions.

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