In this episode, Michael Ellsberg interviewed Michaela for his podcast recently:

"I've interviewed famous billionaires. I've interviewed rock stars. I've interviewed NYT-bestselling authors. And yet, of all the interviews I've done, the one I'm most excited about is the one I'm sharing with you now.

Michaela Boehm is in my opinion the most advanced, master teacher on sacred sexuality currently teaching. For 13 years, she traveled and co-taught with David Deida, author of "The Way of the Superior Man." Now she has branched out to share her own unique blend of wisdom, synthesized from her 22 years of counseling practice, along with her training and experience as a lineage holder in a tantric tradition of Kashmiri Shivaism. Her private clients include Oscar-winning actors, producers, writers, and multiple Grammy-winning musicians--and now she's sharing her wisdom with us.

As I love to do, in this interview we dove right into the nitty-gritty: The Dark Side of "Conscious Sexuality." I'm a student of conscious sexuality---but every scene and every philosophy has its own shadow side. What is the shadow side of the "sacred sexuality" scene? In this wide-ranging, no-holds-barred interview, we dive into the conversations no one else is having, and the things no one else is saying, around this controversial topic."

Some of the topics we cover include:

2:30 - The true meaning of the "shadow side"- as opposed to how it is usually used in personal development circles

6:55 - Why "sacred sexuality" should not be used as a tool for healing

12:46 - The most important factor for healing old sexual wounding

23:00 - How so much spiritual practice ends up being a futile quest to gain love or approval from "daddy" or "mommy" in our minds - and what to focus on instead

26:11 - How so many teachers or "gurus" of spirituality and sexuality use scarcity and subtle shaming to keep students hooked on constant upsells.

29:40 - Why the focus on "commitments" and "accountability" in Men's Groups is misguided and ineffective, and what Men's Groups should be focusing on instead

37:25 - How Women's Groups often end up perpetuating the same shaming of women that the women are going into the groups to avoid, and what--in Michaela's opinion--Women's Groups should be focusing on instead

40:08 - The rise of the "Stepford Dakinis"

42:33 - Many women ask "Where are all the good men?" - and why asking this question is barking up the wrong tree. (The discussion we get into for the next 15 minutes is hands-down the most controversial segment of an interview I've ever done, watch out!)

57:36 - How can independent, strong-minded women (who are into men) find the man they want?

1:01:47 - How can a woman who wants the experience of surrender with a man, decide which man she can trust?

1:09:55 - How polyamory often bogs down and leads to "a lot more discussing than fucking"

1:16:03 - Why the tantra worlds and BDSM/kink worlds often judge each other, and how they can be integrated

1:22:15 - The single best first step for opening to the divine in sexuality

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To order Michaela's book "The Wild Woman's Way": https://amzn.to/3FJEBEa

Music by Steve James: https://www.guruviking.com/

Find out more about Michael Ellsberg here:

www.ellsberg.com