Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan.

Music Minute features Thrice.

Check out Frugal Friends podcast website, which also offers a newsletter and free tools.

Find Frugal Friends on Instagram. 

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