Let’s get straight to it. Sober sex for the first time is a big deal! Some of us had never even done it before. We talk about our experiences – from what we were told to what we expected, and what it was actually like. Lisa had an eventful trip to Utah and Anna, well, let’s just say she ignored all that advice about not dating for the first year.

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Picking up where Recovery Rocks left off, Sober Living podcast is all about how we make the most of our lives in sobriety. Co-hosts Lisa Smith and Anna David dig into all the beauty, mess, creativity, laughs, tears, and joy of leaving the booze behind. 

We’ll kick it all off with some of our own stories, how we bonded ten years ago, and a series on our “sober firsts.”

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What would the last Recovery Rocks episode be without a focus on music? Tawny and Lisa talk all about the role music plays in their recovery and their lives in general. Tawny talks about seeing some of her favorite bands over the summer as research for her next (music-themed!) book project. The ladies extend all their gratitude and love to the listeners over the last seven years. Stick around on this feed for Sober Living, the new podcast Lisa will co-host with OG recovery queen, Anna David.

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Tawny and Lisa talk with their friend Chris Marshall, the creator of Sans Bar, the first non-alcoholic bar in North America. Sans Bar broke new ground in creating IRL sober spaces and providing support for soberpreneurs. They talk about how getting sober is an act of liberation, and Chris shares how his sobriety has led to all kinds of personal revelations and creativity. They also talk about his memoir, Faster Than Light. 

Music Minute features Vivaldi’s “Seasons,” Mozart, Laufey’s bossa nova, and alt country

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Laura Silverman, cartographer and creator of Zero Proof Nation, a global map of non-alcoholic bars and bottle shops, joins Tawny and Lisa for a stroll down memory lane. They talk about the non-alcoholic drink movement and how far it has come in the last seven years. 

Music Minute features outlaw country music, Emily Nenni and Joshua Hedley

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After seven years and nearly 300 episodes, Tawny and Lisa are saying goodbye to Recovery Rocks. But they’re not going anywhere! Lisa will still be in this podcast feed with a new show, Sober Living, along with OG recovery queen Anna David. And Tawny will be everywhere with her non-al spirit, (parentheses), writing classes and coaching, and a new book in the works! They look back on the show and look forward into the future.

Music Minute features RuPaul’s Drag Race and The Beatles

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Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan.

Music Minute features Thrice.

Check out Frugal Friends podcast website, which also offers a newsletter and free tools.

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Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude. 

Music Minute features Everclear and The Beatles

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Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over."  She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasing is more nuanced than just doing something for a loved one because you want to. It’s about doing something for someone else because you fear disappointing them at the risk of your own mental and physical health. Oh, an apparently Anne Hathaway’s done with people pleasing, too!

Music Minute features Ricky Nelson and Jay-Z with Linkin Park.

Check out the Anne Hathaway's interview with The New York Times.

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Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends.

Music Minute features Sister Sledge, Everclear, The Killers and Billie Eilish.

Find support at Al-Anon and Co-Dependents Anonymous. 

Tawny recommends these books on boundaries and codependency: The Origins of You, Set Boundaries, Find Peace, The Book of Boundaries

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