Tawny and Lisa talk with Carl Erik Fisher, an addiction physician, bioethicist, person in recovery, and author of The Urge: Our History of Addiction. Carl recently wrote a powerful essay, The Price We Pay Betting on Sports, for The New York Times. They talk about sports betting, how it’s changed with 24/7 online availability and cultural normalization, as well as the associated risks and ways to address them.

Music Minute features audiobooks, EPIC: The Musical, and The Odyssey 

Check out Carl’s Substack newsletter, Rat Park.

Find all things Carl at carlerikfisher.com

Check Carl out on Instagram and other socials @DrCarlErik   

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Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

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Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

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