It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!  

And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.

Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other. 

If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/

For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU

Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride -  https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL

For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg

The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam

The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK

The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf

The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/

Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/

Guest’s Links:

Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/

Ian's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/IanMorganCron/

Ian's Twitter - https://twitter.com/ianmorgancron?lang=en

Ian's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron

Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en

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As part of our summer series of re-airing the best of “For the Love,” we also have Jen’s long time friend, Amy Hardin, joining Jen to introduce this episode that was originally aired on the premium channel. In this new episode, we’ll hear about Jen and Amy’s summer so far and what constitutes guilty pleasure TV binges.

True crime might be considered a guilty pleasure, but if you haven’t done a deep dive into the genre, then this will be an eye opening conversation for you. We’ve got an amazing guest who is here to talk about the true crime podcast phenomenon, and she’s one of the folks that really put it on the map — Ashley Flowers, the host of the wildly popular podcast, Crime Junkies. 

Ashley Flowers and her co-host Brit have spent years researching, analyzing, and solving cases. And with over 1 billion downloads, it’s easy to say they are pretty good at what they do. Jen and Ashley get into how Crime Junkies got started, their thoughts on why the true crime genre is so popular and how Ashely’s using the platform to educate as well as entertain.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I was looking for something specific, and the way we tell the stories was all based on me as the fan, not coming into a genre and being like, ‘It's popular. What can I do to make it successful?’ It was, ‘What would I really care about?’ And I think that's been the success of this show, as it comes from such a genuine place.” – Ashley Flowers 

“I founded a nonprofit called Season of Justice that's all about funding testing for law enforcement. We pay the labs directly so we can do this advanced testing. Because I found in my work and the more I talk to families, the more I talk to law enforcement, one of the barriers over and over again was just finances. And that's where I was like, ‘I can fix that.’" – Ashley Flowers  

“If you're truly invested in the community, there are so many different ways you can get involved and use your own talents to make a real difference and help solve these cases. I'm a storyteller, I'm a business owner, and now I'm solving murders.” – Ashley Flowers 

Guest’s Links:

All Good People Here by Ashley Flowers - ​​https://www.amazon.com/All-Good-People-Here-Novel/dp/0593496477 

Ashley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ashleyflowers/?hl=en 

Crime Junkie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/crimejunkiepodcast/?hl=en 

Season of Justice - https://seasonofjustice.org 

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Móni Guzmán came to the US from Mexico with her family many decades ago. In the past two presidential elections, her parents voted for Trump while she voted for Clinton and Biden. This created the kind of tension that must be managed very carefully. Fortunately, and relatedly, Móni has professional experience with difficult conversations in her capacity as a senior fellow at Braver Angels. We lean heavily on the ideas in Móni’s book, I Never Thought of It That Way, in this episode and throughout our 5-part series on getting along: Rupture + Repair.

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It’s been two years since Roe v. Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court. As the power to rule over women’s reproductive rights reverts to the states, we are seeing many move toward vast limitations of reproductive choices, including bans on terminating pregnancies, but also devastating impediments toward the processes that have helped those who are struggling with infertility have a chance to conceive. To open up this conversation and really delve into what this decision means, we have Jen’s longtime friend Amy Hardin joining the pod. As women who lived their childbearing years under the protections of Roe v. Wade, Jen and Amy discuss what the aftermath will look for the next generation of women. 

Later on the show, we’ll feature an interview with Dr. Natalie Crawford, a Reproductive Endocrinology & Infertility Specialist in Austin, TX who really helps us break down all the salient issues. Dr. Crawford sensitively approaches all the repercussions of not having a safe way for a woman to terminate a pregnancy that many of us may not have even considered. Wherever you stand on the issue of abortion, these conversations show the ripple effect this decision has had on women’s ability to make health choices for themselves and how it affects women who do wish to conceive and the hurdles they will now face.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Reproductive care doesn't exist in silos. Abortion access is just one part of the triangle of reproductive care. And fertility care is on one end and gynecological care and OB/GYN care is on the other, but they all exist together, for a variety of reasons.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“You could die in pregnancy even though you have zero risk factors. We know that this happens. And so when we start assigning the idea that reproductive choice or ending a pregnancy is morally bad because you're killing a baby or a fetus, what we're really doing is devaluing the life of that mother who's carrying the baby because at any moment it could go a way that could turn lethal.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“We have allowed politics to infiltrate medicine and people are getting cared for differently because of the current political world. That should terrify anybody who knows somebody in their life with a uterus, that really should terrify you.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“Black women have three to four times the chance of dying in childbirth, even when controlled for proper prenatal care or socioeconomic class, meaning even if you are educated and you have access to care, the color of your skin is a contributing factor to you walking out of childbirth alive. That is devastating.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“You're either a fan of reproductive care and you respect the fact that people deserve the integrity to make their choices with their medical professionals and their loved ones, or you don't.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford

Guest’s Links:

Website - https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com 

Fora Fertility - https://www.forafertilityaustin.com 

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nataliecrawfordmd/ 

Twitter - https://twitter.com/ncrawfordmd 

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We’re bringing back one of our most popular episodes ever on the pod - featuring “The Body Keeps the Score” author Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. And for a fun NEW take on the episode, Jen Hatmaker has asked one of her best friends, Amy Hardin, to join her to discuss their thoughts on this episode! Listen as Jen and Amy discuss their meet cute and then wade into the episode which delves into the relationship between trauma and the body, relating their personal experiences around this. 

Dr. Van Der Kolk is a psychiatrist, author, researcher and author of the book The Body Keeps The Score. He has spent most of his career researching the causes of post traumatic stress, and is continuing to come away with groundbreaking discoveries about the power of our bodies to protect and shield us. Dr. Van Der Kolk brings us to the intersection of embodiment, mental well-being, and neuroscience and examines how we can understand our bodies’ response to trauma so we can embrace our healing.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“People think about trauma as that thing that happened a long time ago. But that's not the issue, because that thing is over. It happened last year or 10 years ago, it's not happening today. But the traces that it leaves inside of you, are happening now.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 

“When you're traumatized, you try to not have all the sensations and feelings, and you turn on music loudly, or you drink or you take drugs, to make those feelings go away. And then to experience your feelings becomes very difficult.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 

“The most elementary thing is breathing. Our breath is the one thing in our body that happens whether we want it or not. And we can learn to breathe differently. So there's a physiological function that gives us access to some core pieces of ourselves, where you slow down your breath, you focus on breath, you activate your parasympathetic nervous system, and you do become calmer. That's where you start.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk  

“You cannot take care of yourself unless you accept yourself for who you are.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 

“When you're traumatized, one thing becomes another thing. So to open that up, and open up the mind to new possibilities is incredibly important.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Body Keeps The Score by Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3zyCVPk

Guest’s Links:

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Website - https://www.besselvanderkolk.com

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thebodykeepsthescore/

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s YouTube - https://bit.ly/3RZpoa8

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Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

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Kirsten Powers is a tenured news analyst who lived inside our modern age’s belly of the beast — 24-Hour Network News. Kirsten Powers lived and breathed as a senior news analyst at Fox News and then CNN for years. Eventually, she hit a breaking point and realized living full throttle, enraged about the state of the world, wasn't doing her or anyone she loved any favors. She pulled back and began examining what it would be like if she stayed engaged in political news but also still centered and compassionate. Through her examination, she wrote an entire book about how to embrace grace and disengage from inflammatory discourse called “Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.”

If you need some advice on how to balance that tightrope walk of being informed and actionable but not totally defeated by the litany of bad news, please join Jen and Kirsten as they determine what grace looks like when the world feels culturally and politically on fire. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I feel like what our culture is missing is grace. We don't have grace for each other, and I don't have grace for people, and I don't think other people have grace for people, for the most part. And I think it's because we don't really understand grace.” - Kirsten Powers

“When you call things out, you need to call it behavior. You need to say, "You're doing X, Y, and Z, and this is a problem," versus, "You are X, Y, and Z, and you are a problem.” - Kirsten Powers

“Boundaries were really hard for me. And one of the things that I discovered was, I think I thought of boundaries as almost aggressive. You're keeping people out, and that's not actually what they are. You're actually letting people know how to be in a relationship with you. So it's actually an act of grace, right?” - Kirsten Powers

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Guest’s Links:

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Bestselling author, R. Eric Thomas, wrote “Here for It” in 2020 and it continues to reverberate in the hearts and minds of readers because of its timely topics and riveting personal story—making it a perfect “revisit” for our book club community! With humor and vulnerability, Eric shares about his memoir which is equal parts hilarity and heart–and what it took to write about his intersecting identities as a Black, queer, Christian man.

Join Jen and Eric as they traverse transforming the ordinary into the profoundly funny and insightful.

Book Summary:

In his memoir of essays “Here for It,” Eric attempts to define what it means to be an “other” through his experience growing up in two very different worlds — the urban landscape of his parents home in Baltimore and then the wealthy, white suburb where he went to private school. He tries to figure out how to reconcile all of this, not just these two wildly different racial and class spaces, but also his Christian upbringing with his sexuality as a gay man; the exhaustion of code switching; accidentally finding internet fame; covering the 2016 election and all of that aftermath. Ultimately, he is seeking to answer whether the future is worth it when everything seems to be getting worse. He re-envisions what could be by placing himself at the center of his own story and sharing his experiences with us.

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Guest’s Links:

R. Eric Thomas’s Website - https://rericthomas.com/

R. Eric Thomas’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/oureric/

R. Eric Thomas’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/oureric

R. Eric Thomas’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/R.Eric.T/

Books & Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Here for It or How to Save Your Soul in America by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3KFKdTV

The Preacher’s Wife - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Preacher%27s_Wife

Congratulations, The Best Is Over by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3RdAY1E

Kings of Baltimore by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3PxKvQ4

Dickinson (TV Series) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8518136/

Better Things (TV Series) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4370596/

The Moth - https://bit.ly/3Vl3YFb

Andre DeShields - https://www.andredeshields.com/

Clue (The 1985 Movie) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clue_(film)

Amy Dickinson - https://amydickinson.com/

R. Eric Thomas’s Here For It  News Letter - https://letter.rericthomas.com/

Maxine Waters - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Waters 

Ann Patchett - http://www.annpatchett.com/

Festival of Homiletics - https://festivalofhomiletics.com/

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Our guest this week is bringing core insights into the kitchen so that everyone can: 

a.) enjoy cooking and b.) turn it from a massive chore to a bright spot in your day. Author, blogger and “accidental cook” Bri McKoy is here, talking with Jen about the best practices and advice on how to become the kind of cook you want to be for your own life. Drawn from her essential cookbook, “The Cooks Book: Recipes for Keeps and Essential Techniques to Master Everyday Cooking,” Bri wants to share what she’s learned in her kitchen so that everyone’s kitchen can become a place of confidence and joy. 

 Jen and Bri dish on: 

If there’s more cooking in your life this summer with kids at home, guests coming to visit, or budget-conscious cooking when traveling, this relatable episode will give you the tools you need to de-stress your kitchen and make it a place for great food and great fun!

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I come from a background of I didn't like cooking. I didn't wanna be in the kitchen. Every aspect of it, from the grocery shopping to the cleaning to the prepping was the worst. Then, when I started to learn how to cook, I became so much more joyful and less stressed out.” - Bri McKoy

“I have this arsenal of these five basic things. That means I have become confident and joyful in the kitchen. I teach those tips, tricks, techniques, recipes so that other people can feel like even if they depart from my cookbook, they will have success with every other recipe they try.” - Bri McKoy

“I always say that a sauce can make a meal. Like give it a glow up” - Bri McKoy

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Cooks Book: Recipes for Keeps and Essential Techniques to Master Everyday Cooking - https://bit.ly/3DQg6Ws

Cooking MeCourse ft. Jen and Bri - https://jenhatmaker.com/me-course/cooking/ 

Feed These People (Jen’s cookbook) - https://jenhatmaker.com/feed-these-people/ 

The Joy of Cooking (Cookbook) - https://bit.ly/3YpPbdv 

Country Crock Buttery Spread - https://bit.ly/3OrCRER 

Wine & Spirit Education Trust - https://bit.ly/3OMZPb1

Come and Eat: A Celebration of Love and Grace Around the Everyday Table (Bri’s Latest Cookbook) - https://bit.ly/3qqt89T

Guest’s Links:

Bri’s Website - https://oursavorylife.com/ 

Bri’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/brimckoy 

Bri’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/brimckoy 

Bri’s Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/brimckoy/ 

Bri’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brimckoy/ 

Bri’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNkSDrh24WkP4HQbCfnPtwA?

Connect with Jen!

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Do you struggle to feel truly at home in your body? We’re here to tell you; that it is possible. Our episode this week is a topic we return to often because we just can’t hear it enough; how we can heal our connections to our bodies. We have author and embodiment expert, Prentis Hemphill on the show, and she and Jen explore the idea of healing through embodied practices. 

Prentis shares poignant insights from their work in the Black community processing racial trauma through reconnecting to embodied cultural practices. Here’s another piece of good news–when you heal your connection to your body, you present a vision of embodied healing that radiates outward - from ourselves to our communities. That in turn can transform oppressive cultures through grounded love. The possibilities are endless when we take agency over our bodies!

Jen and Prentis discuss:

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Thought-Provoking Quotes;

"Somatics is the study of how our experiences and traumas live in the body. It's also a story of how our bodies can be resilient." - by Prentis Hemphill

"I think, generally, the times I feel most free are when I'm with my people and feel fully accepted and loved. When we're eating or dancing or we're cracking up and falling off the couch is when my body feels the absolute freest — when I'm in a loving community." - by Prentis Hemphill

"I love embodiment. I think a lot of it fundamentally is trying to point us in the direction of relationship and authenticity, courage, and care. I think that's when we will be most embodied is when we can live those values." - by Prentis Hemphill

"I think, generally, our culture just doesn't take the space and time to grieve the things that we need to grieve. We haven't celebrated the things we need to celebrate. There's a lot of denial and that stifles our growth. It keeps us, as a society, deeply immature. And I think if we could make some space for those things, a lot would change." - by Prentis Hemphill

"There are no more words that can be said. We can keep talking, but there are not really any more words to say. There's something that has to happen. It has to take root in your belly. It has to be expressed through your actions. You have to change." - by Prentis Hemphill

"To do anything [to create change] is going to be contingent on our ability to stay in relationship with each other." - by Prentis Hemphill

Resources Mentioned in This Episode;

The Black Embodiment Initiative at The Embodiment Institute - https://bit.ly/3xhlAda

You Are Your Best Thing edited by Tarana Burke and Brené Brown - https://bit.ly/3z09C88

Holding Change by Adrienne Maree Brown - https://bit.ly/3RlD3Ig

The Politics of Trauma by Staci Haynes - https://bit.ly/4cjpFwk

What it Takes to Heal by Prentis Hemphill - https://bit.ly/4eoC6ZB

Guest’s Links:

Prentis’ Website - https://prentishemphill.com/

Prentis’ Twitter - https://twitter.com/prentishemphill

Prentis’ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/prentishemphill

Prentis’ Finding Our Way Podcast - https://linktr.ee/findingourwaypod

Prentis’ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/prentishemphill

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Coming in hot for our Queer Futures series, we’re bringing you an interview previously aired on For The Love’s Premium Podcast channel with celebrity Peloton instructor, Cody Rigsby. Cody has gained a devoted following through his engaging and motivational fitness classes on the Peloton platform. He talks about his memoir "XOXO Cody: An Opinionated Homosexual's Guide to Self-Love, Relationships and Tactful Pettiness" in which he opens up about transitioning from professional dance to fitness, his relationship with his mother who struggled with addiction and bipolar disorder, and how he aims to empower others through vulnerability and self-love. With his vibrant personality and inspirational story, Cody has become a celebrity in his own right. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I think the biggest obstacle to someone starting a fitness journey is feeling intimidated. You don't know what you're doing. You don't look like the people that are at the gym. Your body doesn't know what it's doing. So it's super overwhelming. So if you can take that and push it all to the side and just be like, ‘Okay, [where] in this space can I have fun?’” - Cody Rigsby

“No matter how much we love anybody in our life, specifically our parents, dealing with addiction is hard. It's challenging. You don't really know the effects of it when you're a kid until you look back as an adult and be like, ‘Oh wow, that was really messed up.’” - Cody Rigsby

“In life, it gets so busy. We're wrapped up in work, we really forget what life used to be or the struggles that we had and the aspirations that we have. Then you sit in the present and you have a moment of gratitude and say to yourself, ‘Wow, I have a lot of the things that I always wanted and I've let go of so many of the things that were holding me back.” - Cody Rigsby

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Cody on Dancing with the Stars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JjDU_DKpeQ

One Peloton Community - https://www.onepeloton.com/blog/ 

XOXO, Cody: An Opinionated Homosexual’s Guide to Self-Love, Relationships, and Tactful Pettiness - https://bit.ly/3z0FkSN  

Dancing with the Stars ft. Cody Rigsby - https://bit.ly/4cjlCjv 

Jess King: Peloton Instructor - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/jessicaking 

Robin Arzón: Peloton Instructor - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/jessicaking 

Glamorous (Netflix TV Series) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81076871 

Tiger King (Netflix Documentary) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81115994

Guest’s Links:

Cody’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/codyrigsby/

Cody’s Peloton Page - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/codyrigsby 

Cody’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/codyrigsbyfitness/ 

Cody’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/CodyRigsby 

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