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How do you explain depression to a child—especially when it’s their parent who is struggling?

In this moving episode, Todd Rennebohm, author of Sometimes Daddy Cries, shares the deeply personal story behind his children’s book. What began as a near-suicidal night became the seed for a tool that now helps countless families talk about depression in ways children can understand.

Todd, a father living with depression, anxiety, ADHD, and six years of sobriety, opens up about the challenges of parenting with mental illness, the stigma men face in acknowledging their struggles, and why normalizing depression for kids matters so much.

Hosts Terry and Dr. Anita Sanz guide the conversation, exploring how stories like Todd’s break silence, reduce fear, and remind children (and adults) that depression is treatable—and love remains constant.

Link to Todd Rennebohm's book "Sometimes Daddy Cries": https://www.amazon.com/Sometimes-Daddy-Cries-Todd-Rennebohm/dp/0228834678

Primary Topics Covered:

• Todd’s journey through depression, sobriety, and near-suicidal moments
• The origins of Sometimes Daddy Cries and why he wrote it for his kids
• Why “sad” is an entry point but doesn’t capture the depth of depression
• Using relatable experiences like tummy aches to explain mental health to children
• How hospitalization for depression can be explained in child-friendly terms
• The stigma men face when admitting to depression and seeking help
• Why open conversations prevent kids from blaming themselves
• The book’s impact not only on children but also on parents and partners
• Todd’s message: depression is real, treatable, and doesn’t diminish love

Timestamps:

00:11 Introduction and welcome
 01:33 Introducing guest Todd Rennebaum, author and father
 02:10 The dark night that led to writing Sometimes Daddy Cries
03:46 Choosing honesty and asking for help instead of ending his life
04:22 Why “sad” is both useful and inadequate for describing depression
05:09 Todd describes depression as heavy, endless, and debilitating
06:31 Using tummy aches as a relatable metaphor for children
08:07 How depression, like physical illness, sometimes requires professional help
09:22 Todd shares his experience with hospitalization
10:48 Writing the book as a way of “learning from mistakes” to help others
11:29 How the book resonates with children, partners, and men facing stigma
12:13 Todd’s core message: mental illness is normal, common, and treatable
13:32 The importance of showing kids that love remains constant through struggles
15:35 Co-host reflections on men, stigma, and the need for honesty in families
18:12 How the book helps children reframe anger and depression in their parents
18:48 Closing reflections and encouragement for listeners

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In this extended conversation with Darin Olien—wellness expert, bestselling author, and co-host of Down to Earth with Zac Efron—we explore the deep connections between mental health and whole-body wellness.

Darin opens up about his family’s struggles with depression and shares how nutrition, hydration, sleep, and emotional honesty play powerful roles in supporting recovery. From the gut-brain connection to the power of supportive communities, this candid interview offers both practical steps and profound encouragement.

This episode is part of a new extended format where we bring you more of our guests’ voices, stories, and insights.

Link to Darin Olien's website: https://darinolien.com/

Primary Topics Covered:

• Darin Olien’s personal connection to depression through his parents’ struggles
• The gut-brain connection and how diet impacts mood and resilience
• Why unresolved trauma underlies much of our pain
• The importance of professional, family, and community support
• Simple wellness practices to support mental health (hydration, movement, sleep, light exposure)
• Why therapy and honest conversations are essential to healing
• The role of nature and circadian rhythms in stabilizing mood
• Reframing identity and letting go of limiting self-beliefs
• How hydration, sleep, and clean food can reduce stress and restore balance
• The importance of hope, dreams, and creating a vision for recovery

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and episode format update
 02:00 Darin Olien shares his family’s struggles with depression
 04:10 The impact of diet, processed foods, and gut health on depression
 07:30 Trauma, pain, and the need for emotional healing
 09:48 Building resiliency through professional and community support
 11:00 The importance of therapy, honesty, and safe spaces
 12:40 Active listening as a tool for connection and healing
 14:15 Men’s groups, stigma, and finding supportive communities
 18:45 Healing trauma and reframing identity
 20:14 Genes, wellness, and the power of lifestyle choices
 23:50 The role of sleep and circadian rhythms in mental health
 26:14 Food as “nature’s packaged medicine” and making small shifts
 30:00 The gut-brain connection and how cravings change with diet
 34:22 Parallels between depression and toxic microbes—feeding the positive
 35:14 Hydration, energy, and the hidden effects of dehydration
 38:35 Practical advice: build a foundation with food, water, sleep, and support
 41:17 Closing reflections and invitation for listener feedback

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Can everyday wellness habits really support depression recovery?

In this inspiring episode, bestselling author and wellness expert Darin Olien (SuperLife, Fatal Conveniences, and Netflix’s Down to Earth with Zac Efron) joins hosts Terry and Dr. Anita Sands to discuss the profound connection between wellness practices and mental health.

Drawing from his family’s struggles with depression and his own life challenges—including losing his home in the California wildfires—Darin shares how grief, nutrition, hydration, and lifestyle changes all play vital roles in building resilience and supporting recovery.

This conversation blends science, lived experience, and hope, reminding us that while genetics and trauma matter, the daily choices we make about food, sleep, and self-care can profoundly influence our mental well-being.

Link to Darin Olien's website: https://darinolien.com/

Primary Topics Covered:

• Darin Olien’s personal experiences with depression in his family
• The connection between grief, trauma, and resilience
• How ultra-processed foods impact mood, gut health, and brain chemistry
• Why hydration is often overlooked but critical for energy and mental clarity
• The importance of community, therapy, and safe spaces for honesty
• Why unresolved trauma is at the root of much suffering
• The power of sleep and circadian rhythms in stabilizing mood
• Why genetics account for only ~20% of outcomes, and lifestyle choices for the other 80%
• How to give yourself permission to dream and build a life you want
• Practical first steps toward wellness when energy feels low

Timestamps

00:11 Welcome and introduction
 01:10 Why mental health is often excluded from “wellness” conversations
 02:16 Introducing Darin Olien and his work (SuperLife, Fatal Conveniences, Down to Earth)
03:29 Darin shares his family’s struggles with depression
05:37 Coping with grief after losing his father, divorce, and his home in a wildfire
07:19 The courage it takes to feel emotions fully and move through them
08:25 The connection between processed foods, gut health, and depression
09:55 Why unresolved trauma fuels much of our suffering
11:28 The importance of therapy, professional help, and safe spaces
13:01 The power of active listening and men’s groups in healing
15:03 How pain and trauma can be transformed into healing opportunities
16:20 Lifestyle choices that impact depression (nutrition, sleep, hydration)
17:51 Practical tips for nutrition and eating whole foods with limited energy
18:42 Hydration and why dehydration mimics fatigue and low mood
19:41 Darin’s closing advice: seek help and give yourself permission to dream
21:52 Hosts reflect on focusing on what we can control
23:50 Genetics vs. lifestyle: why you have more influence than you think
26:30 Closing reflections and listener invitation for feedback

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What does it take to move from struggling in silence to becoming a mental health advocate?

In this candid episode, writer and advocate Michelle Yang shares her powerful journey of living with bipolar I disorder, from being overlooked as a high-achieving student to experiencing a life-threatening manic episode while studying abroad.

Michelle opens up about her delayed diagnosis, the stigma that kept her silent for years, and the turning point when she realized hiding her condition only reinforced shame. Today, she is a proud advocate, helping others see that life with bipolar disorder can be full, successful, and joyful.

Hosts Terry and Dr. Anita Sanz guide the conversation, exploring what it means to challenge stereotypes, balance treatment, and embrace authenticity while living with a serious mental health condition.

This episode is both eye-opening and deeply validating—reminding us that mental illness does not define us.

Link to Michelle's Blog: www.livingwellhappily.com/

Primary Topics Covered:

• Michelle’s childhood pressures as a first-generation immigrant student
• Why good grades and achievements often mask serious mental health struggles
• Her first major depressive and manic episodes during college abroad
• Receiving a bipolar I diagnosis after years of being misdiagnosed
• The importance of taking a break from school and finding the right treatment
• Returning to school, graduating with distinction, and building a career
• How stigma and secrecy limited her confidence and opportunities at work
• The turning point: choosing to “come out” about her diagnosis
• Challenging myths about bipolar disorder and treatment
• Why lived-experience stories are essential to changing stigma

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction and welcome
 01:10 Michelle Yang’s immigrant childhood and early responsibilities
 01:56 Mental health struggles overlooked due to grades and achievement
 03:19 “Good grades ≠ good mental health” — Michelle’s advocacy message
 04:15 First major depressive episode and study abroad struggles
 05:18 Pressure from her father and a triggering manic episode in Beijing
 06:59 Crisis leads to hospitalization and first bipolar diagnosis
 08:52 The importance of therapy and taking a break from school
 09:33 Returning to school, graduating with honors, and pursuing an MBA
 10:17 Building a career while hiding her diagnosis out of fear of stigma
 11:10 The personal and professional costs of keeping bipolar a secret
 11:18 Challenging misconceptions about bipolar disorder and treatment
 12:54 Recognizing the difference between untreated and treated illness
 13:12 “Like sucking in your gut for 20 years” — her metaphor for hiding
 13:19 Choosing authenticity and becoming a mental health advocate
 14:30 Living a full life: mother, professional, and person with bipolar
 15:11 Why advocacy matters: breaking silence and stigma
 16:53 Stigma persists because we only see people in crisis, not in recovery
 17:55 Michelle’s forthcoming memoir: Phoenix Girl: How a Fat Asian Girl With Bipolar Found Love (2024)
18:38 Closing reflections and reminders for listeners

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Can a teen be excelling academically while secretly battling depression or bipolar disorder?

In this revealing episode, Michelle Yang shares her story of being a high-achieving immigrant student who outwardly had it all together—straight A’s, strong work ethic, and responsibility—while silently struggling with anxiety, depression, and undiagnosed bipolar disorder.

Despite begging for therapy as a teenager, Michelle’s struggles were dismissed by adults who believed good grades meant good mental health. Cultural stigma, parental fear of leaving a “permanent record,” and a dismissive doctor’s visit all delayed her diagnosis and treatment for years.

Now a thriving advocate and writer, Michelle uses her experience to shine a light on the dangerous myth that academic performance protects teens from mental illness. Her story reminds us that depression can hide in plain sight—and listening without judgment can save lives.

Link to Michelle's Blog: www.livingwellhappily.com/ 

Primary Topics Covered:

• Michelle’s experience immigrating from Korea and the trauma of cultural adjustment
• Taking on adult responsibilities at a young age as a translator and family caretaker
• The disconnect between academic achievement and emotional struggles
• Early symptoms of bipolar disorder and severe anxiety during high school
• Manic episodes, paranoia, and psychotic-like symptoms as a teen
• Why teachers and professionals overlooked her needs due to good grades
• The crushing shame of feeling “different” and misunderstood
• Her parents’ fear of stigma and a “permanent record” blocking college opportunities
• A secret doctor visit that ended in dismissal instead of diagnosis
• How stigma delayed treatment for years—and the hope of eventual healing

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction and hosts’ reflections
 02:01 Michelle’s background as an immigrant from Korea
 03:04 Early signs of anxiety and depression in childhood
 04:19 Family struggles with cultural and career shifts after immigration
 05:26 Becoming a translator and caretaker at age 12
 05:40 Pressure from family and the beginnings of depression
 05:49 Academic achievement alongside deep anxiety and sleeplessness
 06:32 Manic episodes with psychotic-like tendencies
 06:42 The shame and fear after manic episodes ended
 07:22 Out-of-character behaviors at school and teacher responses
 08:13 How teachers and schools excused behavior as “cultural differences”
 08:55 Michelle’s confusion and lack of words for her experience
 09:59 Asking parents for help and begging for therapy
 10:55 Her parents’ fear of stigma and “permanent record” consequences
 11:50 A secret doctor visit that ended in dismissal
 13:07 The heartbreak of being told she had an “overactive imagination”
 13:55 Four more years until she received professional diagnosis and treatment
 14:52 Hosts reflect on her resilience and eventual thriving
 15:34 Closing thoughts and next week’s continuation of Michelle’s story

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What’s therapy really like—and when should you go?

In this milestone episode, Dr. Anita Sanz demystifies the therapy process for anyone considering mental health treatment. From how to know when it’s time to reach out, to what actually happens in a session, to finding the right therapist (yes, it’s okay to shop around), this episode is packed with practical advice and stigma-busting insight.

Whether you’re new to therapy or returning after a break, this candid conversation can help you approach the process with more confidence—and less fear. Therapy isn’t about being “crazy”—it’s about being proactive with your emotional health, just like you would with your physical health.

Primary Topics Covered:

• When to start therapy: proactive vs. reactive approaches
• Common signs it’s time to seek professional mental health support
• Reducing stigma and misconceptions about therapy
• How therapy compares to medical and legal help (metaphors that resonate)
• Why “not being able to function” isn’t a requirement to get help
• What actually happens in a therapy session (no couches required)
• How to find a therapist who fits your needs and personality
• What to say if you don’t know why you’re seeking therapy
• Addressing suicidal thoughts safely and honestly in therapy
• The role of therapy beyond the session (homework, behavioral change)

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and goals of the episode  
01:09 Comparing therapy to medical and vision care  
01:33 Why mental health stigma still holds people back  
02:11 What therapy actually is—and what it isn’t  
03:00 When to start therapy: don’t wait until crisis  
04:22 Going early leads to better outcomes  
05:25 How different generations view therapy  
06:47 Using legal and car repair metaphors to explain therapy  
07:09 “I’m not crazy”—debunking the most common myth  
08:35 Why mental illness is hard to see, and harder to validate  
09:50 Proactively seeking therapy before a known stressor  
10:52 Finding the right therapist: it’s okay to shop around  
12:38 Questions to ask during a free intro call  
13:36 What if you don’t know what’s wrong? That’s okay too  
14:58 Can you ask your therapist how they’ll talk to you? Yes  
15:39 When to switch therapists—and how to do it respectfully  
17:00 How long should therapy last? What does “done” look like?  
19:10 Addressing suicidal thoughts safely in therapy  
21:34 Therapy is one hour. Real change happens between sessions  
23:16 Listener question: feeling stuck in negative thought loops  
24:55 Therapy, plasticity, and building new brain patterns  
25:45 Closing thoughts and next steps  

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Can tiny shifts in perspective really make a difference in chronic depression?

In this powerful follow-up conversation, Lori shares her ongoing recovery journey after nearly a decade of feeling stuck in depression. For years, she believed she was “broken” and beyond help. But a new treatment program introduced her to the idea that she wasn’t broken—just stuck—and that even the smallest shifts in thinking and behavior could change her trajectory.

Through meeting others living with persistent depression, trying new therapeutic tools, and reframing her self-worth, Lori has begun to experience light and contentment for the first time in years.

Her story is a reminder that depression lies, that progress doesn’t have to come in dramatic leaps, and that small, consistent changes can help us reclaim hope.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Lori’s decade of living “halfway out” of depression
• Why she believed she was broken—and how treatment reframed that belief
• The importance of meeting others with persistent depression
• How small shifts in thought and behavior can alter recovery paths
• Moving from hopelessness to noticing “pinpricks of light”
• Understanding “contingent self-worth” and reframing value
• Learning the difference between being “broken” and being “stuck”
• The power of metaphors in recovery: pits, pinpricks of light, screen doors, and backpacks
• Why staying open to new approaches matters, even after years of trying

Timestamps:

00:11 Introduction and James Baldwin quote on change
 01:31 Lori reflects on facing depression in new ways
 02:22 Living “halfway out” of depression’s pit
 03:16 Feeling like she “couldn’t do life well”
 03:52 Trying a new treatment program despite skepticism
 04:12 Meeting others living with persistent depression
 04:49 Realizing she’s not alone in daily depression
 05:21 Learning new tools and regaining unexpected hope
 06:14 Moving from hopelessness to “not broken, just stuck”
 07:24 Shifting perspective: looking forward, not just back
 08:35 The “airplane course correction” metaphor for small shifts
 09:43 Experiencing the first sparks of hope
 10:26 Shame, self-worth, and living “in a box”
 11:32 Sitting with pain to loosen depression’s grasp
 12:29 Discovering that worth is a “set point,” not earned
 12:50 Why the next step is always the most important
 13:29 “Backpack people” vs. “screen door people”
 14:28 Shifting from dreading mornings to noticing contentment
 15:24 Co-host reflections on Lori’s insights and metaphors
 17:00 Why “stuck” feels temporary while “broken” feels permanent
 18:03 Staying open to new tools and approaches
 19:27 The power of “yet” in reframing recovery
 20:31 Final reflections and gratitude for Lori’s story

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What does it feel like to live with depression every single day—for years?

In this deeply honest episode, Lori shares what it’s like to live with persistent depressive disorder (PDD), sometimes called dysthymia or chronic depression. Unlike major depressive episodes that come and go, Lori describes the exhausting reality of functioning at only “60%” most days—and the terrifying nearness of relapse when even small setbacks pull her closer to the bottom.

She uses vivid metaphors—living “underwater,” hearing life “muffled,” and waking up each day feeling weighed down by a beanbag full of blood—to describe what PDD feels like from the inside. Lori also shares about passive suicidal thoughts, the risk of living flat and joyless, and why support often requires listening rather than “fixing.”

Clinical psychologist Dr. Anita Sands joins co-host Terry to contextualize Lori’s story, emphasizing that persistent depression is real, chronic, and not the result of personal failure. They discuss how to support loved ones without minimizing their struggle, why curiosity may be more realistic than hope, and why staying—just one more day—matters.

This is the first in a two-part series. In next week’s episode, Lori shares what happened after attending a treatment program that shifted her perspective and gave her new tools for living.

More info on dysthymia: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/dysthymia

Primary Topics Covered:

• The difference between major depression and persistent depressive disorder
• Lori’s experience of living at “60%” and why it feels dangerous
• Powerful metaphors: underwater, muffled joy, and flatness
• The exhausting reality of waking each day wishing not to wake
• Understanding passive suicidal ideation
• Why “fix it” advice often causes more harm than good
• How to better support someone with chronic depression
• Dr. Sands on why PDD is its own diagnosis—not a failure of treatment
• The importance of staying present and curious, even when hope feels impossible

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction to episode and hosts
 01:10 Defining persistent depressive disorder (PDD/dysthymia)
 02:04 Distinction between chronic and major depression
 02:53 Lori’s description of major depression vs. chronic depression
 04:08 Living at “60%” and the risks of relapse
 06:04 Lori’s underwater metaphor for muffled life and joy
 07:28 The flatness of chronic depression and masking symptoms
 09:20 Struggling with mornings and passive suicidal thoughts
 11:08 Wishing not to wake but lacking active suicidal intent
 12:03 The exhaustion of even pleasant activities
 13:21 Why “fix it” advice is unhelpful
 14:12 Examples of dismissive or harmful responses Lori has received
 15:27 What true validation and endurance look like
 16:32 Dr. Sands contextualizes PDD as a real chronic illness
 19:55 Introducing next week’s follow-up episode after treatment
 21:05 Dr. Sands on why curiosity can be more realistic than hope
 23:34 Closing reflections and resources

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What does depression really feel like? In this episode, we break down the concept of Spoon Theory, a powerful way to understand the daily challenges of living with depression and limited energy. Through real-life examples and practical insights, we explore why simple tasks can feel overwhelming and how energy management plays a critical role in coping. If you’ve ever struggled to explain depression to others, this episode offers language and tools to make it clearer — both for yourself and the people around you.

Primary Topics Covered:

• What Spoon Theory is and how it relates to depression
• Why depression makes everyday tasks feel exhausting
• The difference between visible and invisible struggles
• Strategies for conserving and managing limited energy
• How to explain depression to friends, family, and caregivers

Timestamps:
 0:00 – Introduction: Why describing depression is so difficult
 2:45 – The origins of Spoon Theory explained
 6:20 – How energy limits affect people with depression
 10:05 – Examples of daily tasks that drain mental energy
 14:30 – Explaining invisible struggles to others
 18:50 – Practical strategies for conserving energy
 23:10 – How Spoon Theory empowers self-compassion
 26:45 – Final thoughts on living with depression and limited spoons

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