Recovery from depression is not a straight line—it’s a journey of progress, setbacks, and resilience. In this candid episode, Lacey shares what she’s learned both as someone who has lived with depression and now works as a mental health provider.

She explains why setbacks and relapses are not failures but opportunities to grow stronger and develop new coping tools. Lacey also emphasizes the power of listening without judgment, holding space for someone in pain, and resisting the urge to “fix” what can’t be fixed with quick words.

This episode offers insight for anyone living with depression and for those who want to know how to truly support someone they love.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Why recovery from depression is non-linear and more like a circle than a straight line
• The difference between relapse and failure—and why setbacks can make you stronger
• How people without lived experience may misunderstand depression recovery
• The importance of recognizing early warning signs of depression returning
• How friends can support: listening, holding space, and avoiding “fix-it” advice
• Why people with depression often just need presence, not solutions
• Language and questions that make support easier and safer
• The harm of turning conversations toward your own experience instead of listening
• Why being truly heard is one of the most healing gifts in depression recovery

Timestamps:

00:11 Introduction to the episode with Terri and Dr. Anita Sands
 01:02 Personal vs. expert perspectives on depression
 02:31 Lacey’s experience as both therapy patient and provider
 03:31 Why recovery is not linear but cyclical
 05:20 How relapse and setbacks can actually build resilience
 06:55 Recognizing early warning signs before a deep slide
 07:38 Supporting a friend with bipolar disorder by holding space
 09:19 What people with depression most need from supporters: presence and listening
 10:36 Why asking for support is so difficult—and how to make it easier
 11:12 The lie of isolation: remembering you’re not truly alone
 12:19 Language supporters can use to make reaching out safer
 13:03 Asking: “Do you want advice, solutions, or just someone to listen?”
 14:19 Why journaling and therapy work: being heard and externalizing thoughts
 14:56 The mistake of “me too” stories that shift focus away from the person struggling
 16:39 The deep human need to be seen and heard
 17:55 Takeaways: notice, re-ask, and listen as the best ways to help
 20:07 How to check in while respecting someone’s boundaries
 22:15 Creative ways to remind someone they’re not alone (humor, small gestures)
 23:44 Why relapse is not failure but part of recovery
 24:41 Closing thoughts and resources

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Depression can show up suddenly, even in a supportive home. For Lacey, symptoms of depression and anxiety began at age 14—confusing her family, friends, and even herself.

In this episode, she shares how therapy and medication helped her understand that what she was going through wasn’t just “teen angst,” but real depression that deserved care and support. For the first time, someone told her that mental health was just as important as physical health.

Lacey also describes the moment that changed everything: learning that her grandmother, father, and generations before her had also lived with depression. That realization lifted the shame she felt and gave her the first real sense of hope that she could live a full life with depression.

Her story is a reminder that early recognition, the right therapist, and open family conversations can turn despair into possibility.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Early signs of teen depression and how they differ from “normal teenage moods”
• Why uncontrollable crying and eating changes raised red flags
• How therapy gave Lacey her first sense of validation and understanding
• The long process of finding the right antidepressant and balance
• Why finding the right therapist matters and may take patience
• How family conversations reduce shame and build hope
• Generational depression and the relief of learning you’re not alone
• The importance of accepting all emotions, not trying to erase sadness
• Why vulnerability is the key to connection and recovery

Timestamps:

00:05 Introduction to Season 19 and the power of shared stories
 02:07 Why organic conversations lead to deeper lessons
 03:20 Meet Lacey: from teen patient to adult social worker
 03:30 Symptoms at age 14: crying, withdrawal, eating struggles
 04:16 Friends confused by her sudden personality shift
 04:56 Why uncontrollable crying pushed her to seek therapy
 05:30 Her mom’s perspective: bulimia, not eating, flat affect
 06:20 First therapy experience: life-changing validation
 06:55 Learning that mental health is as important as physical health
 07:24 Therapist explains this is not normal teen angst
08:17 Starting medication and the long trial-and-error process
10:02 Learning to accept all emotions instead of rejecting sadness
10:39 Why finding the right therapist is like finding the right fit in any relationship
11:43 Family revelation: grandmother and father also lived with depression
12:30 The epiphany that lifted shame and brought the first hope
13:28 Vulnerability as the key to connection and healing
14:20 Lacey’s perspective as both patient and provider
15:28 Blurred lines between “mental health” and “mental illness”
16:06 The importance of therapists who teach acceptance and balance
17:16 Closing preview of Part Two: non-linear recovery and real support

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In this episode of Giving Voice to Depression, we sit down with Craig Kramer, a father, advocate, and former Johnson & Johnson executive, who shares his deeply personal journey navigating his children’s mental health challenges. From the shock of missed warning signs to the heartbreak of suicide attempts and substance struggles, Craig’s story highlights the realities parents face when mental illness enters the family.

He discusses the lessons he’s learned the hard way, including the importance of early recognition, support systems, safety planning, and reducing stigma. Craig also shares how his advocacy work in both family and corporate settings has shaped his mission to improve mental health awareness and care access for others.

Whether you’re a parent, caregiver, or ally, this episode offers insight, compassion, and hope for families facing similar challenges.

Link to Craig's Johnson & Johnson video about his family's mental health journey: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/craigkramer1_asking-for-help-saved-craig-kramers-career-activity-7090004879254945792-wtoU/

Primary Topics Covered:

• The difficulty of recognizing early warning signs of children’s mental illness.
• Parenting through depression, anxiety, suicidality, and substance use.
• The role of family support networks and safety plans.
• Stigma around mental health vs. physical health (comparing cancer care to mental health care).
• The importance of parental self-care while supporting struggling kids.
• How workplaces can (and should) support employees with family mental health crises.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction to the episode and guest Craig Kramer
 02:11 - Craig’s career in global health and the contrast with his family’s hidden struggles
 03:45 - Early signs of children’s mental health challenges and missed warning signs
 05:16 - Suicide attempt, family loss, and delayed recognition of illness
 07:22 - Parenting during constant fear and sleepless nights
 09:08 - Building support systems and creating safety plans
 10:16 - Stigma and lack of a true mental health system in the U.S.
 12:21 - Comparing cancer care to mental health care
 13:40 - Lessons parents need to understand about struggling kids
 15:14 - The reality of depression as a legitimate medical condition
 16:50 - Family progress, advocacy, and ongoing mission for change
 18:44 - Parental self-care vs. judgment and stigma
 20:14 - The workplace impact of family mental health struggles
 22:14 - Corporate leadership, stigma reduction, and the role of “mental health ambassadors”
 23:08 - Craig’s reflections on speaking openly and reducing shame
 24:17 - Closing thoughts and podcast wrap-up

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When Jeannine Rivers was 19, she attempted suicide. She expected to never wake up—but she did. In that moment of panic and realization, she discovered something profound: she didn’t actually want to die. She just wanted the pain to stop.

Now, decades later, Jeannine shares her powerful survivor story—from her diagnosis of Bipolar II disorder to the voice that told her to get up and live, and the life she built because she survived those 15 critical minutes.

This conversation, part of Suicide Prevention Awareness Month, is raw, real, and filled with hope. Dr. Anita Sanz and Terry reflect with Jeannine on the stigma of mental illness, the importance of language in how we talk about suicide, and the reminder that life is worth holding onto, even when depression tells you otherwise.

If you or someone you know is struggling, please know that help is available—and survival is possible.

Jeannine's website: https://www.jeanninerivers.com/

Primary Topics Covered:

• The stigma of living with depression and bipolar disorder
• Why diagnoses don’t define people
• Jeannine’s suicide attempt and the moment she realized she wanted to live
• The shift from “failure” to “survivor” language in talking about suicide
• The 15 minutes that saved her life—and everything she went on to accomplish
• The role of faith, resilience, and meaning-making in recovery
• Dr. Sanz’s reflection: how depression disconnects people from self-worth
• Practical reframing questions for those struggling with hopelessness
• The importance of attention, help, and crisis resources like 988
• Why persistence matters when reaching out for support

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and framing Suicide Prevention Awareness Month  
01:09 Introducing Jeannine Rivers and her survivor story  
02:18 Why Jeannine shares her attempt openly now  
03:12 Stigma and misunderstanding around depression and bipolar  
05:02 Jeannine’s diagnosis of Bipolar II disorder in 2003  
06:08 “I am not my diagnosis”: separating identity from illness  
07:22 Jeannine’s suicide attempt at age 19  
08:39 Shifting language: from “failure” to “survivor”  
09:56 Jeannine recalls the day of her attempt  
11:45 The voice that urged her to get up and survive  
12:20 The hospital stay and the 15 minutes that saved her life  
13:32 How survival made way for music, family, and purpose  
14:59 Jeannine’s career and life achievements since surviving  
15:52 Reflections on worth, depression, and disconnect  
17:01 Dr. Sanz on reframing questions: “If I were worthy, what would I seek?”  
18:31 Barriers to getting help: shame, cost, and worthiness  
20:26 Crisis resources: the importance of calling 988 (or local hotlines)  
22:08 Final reflections: “Get to the door. Open it.”  
23:23 Closing encouragement and resources  

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Depression often begins with voices—sometimes internal, sometimes from those around us—that tell us we’re not good enough. For Janine, those voices started in childhood, intensified through family and religious pressures, and nearly took her life.

In this first part of her two-episode story, Janine reflects on her earliest experiences of depression, the verbal abuse that shaped her self-image, and how faith, music, and self-talk became her tools for survival.

She shares how she learned to challenge toxic voices—both internal and external—and replace them with affirmations of worth, gratitude, and hope.

Janine’s story reminds us that recovery is possible, but it takes years of persistence, faith, and learning to find what is truly real and good.

Link to Jeannine's website: https://www.jeanninerivers.com/

Primary Topics Covered:

• Janine’s earliest experiences with depression as a child
• The impact of religious restrictions and verbal abuse on her self-worth
• How toxic voices (internal and external) shaped her struggles
• The power of music and creativity in surviving depression
• Learning to reprogram harmful self-talk with affirmations
• Why faith, meditation, and gratitude helped her reclaim strength
• The long process of healing and silencing depression’s lies
• Why recovery takes time and is built through small daily choices
• Hope as the foundation of survival and long-term growth

Timestamps:

00:11 Introduction and context for Suicide Prevention Awareness Month
 01:10 Introducing Janine’s story and the importance of hearing her now, before Part Two
 02:43 Janine on finding the courage to share her story openly
 03:53 Early experiences of depression at age 10
 05:12 Childhood dreams and love of music
 05:38 Family’s conversion to Jehovah’s Witnesses and its impact
 06:48 Elders’ rejection of her singing gift and resulting pain
 07:28 Experiences of verbal abuse and its long-term effects
 08:27 Tools for quieting toxic voices: prayer, meditation, self-talk
 09:38 Replacing negative voices with affirmations of strength
 10:47 Accomplishments Janine reminds herself of to build confidence
 11:20 The healing power of music and the song “Summertime”
 13:52 Reflection on the long process of recovery and growth
 15:01 Reminders: you are valuable and worthy of a life worth living
 16:11 Closing thoughts and preview of Part Two (suicide attempt and recovery)

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In this powerful episode of Giving Voice to Depression, suicide attempt survivor Mark Henick shares his journey from childhood struggles with depression and anxiety to becoming a mental health advocate. Mark recalls the stigma, the repeated hospitalizations, and the darkest moments when he planned to end his life—only to be pulled back by the hands of a stranger. His story highlights the importance of early intervention, coping strategies, and resilience-building practices that make long-term recovery possible.

Listeners will gain hope, perspective, and practical insight into what recovery really looks like—not as a sudden cure, but as a slow accumulation of positive reinforcements, strategies, and support.

If you’ve struggled with depression or suicidal thoughts, or want to understand how to better support a loved one, this episode will help you recognize the signs, embrace compassion, and believe that healing is possible.

Link to Mark Henick's TEDx Talk: www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1QoyTmeAYw

Primary Topics Covered:

• Mark Henick’s personal experience with depression and suicidal thoughts
• The role of stigma, hospitalization, and misunderstanding in early mental health struggles
• The life-saving intervention of a stranger during a suicide attempt
• Why early intervention and mental health education are critical
• Practical strategies for managing depression and preventing relapse
• Understanding resilience as the ability to bounce back, not avoid struggle
• The importance of patience, perspective, and small positive steps in recovery

Timestamps:

• 00:00 – Introduction to the episode and hosts
• 01:28 – Mark Henick’s story of hope and recovery from suicidal thoughts
• 03:27 – Early warning signs of depression in childhood
• 04:16 – First hospitalization and struggles with ineffective mental health care
• 05:50 – Multiple suicide attempts and the night a stranger saved Mark’s life
• 07:18 – Choosing to share his story and becoming an advocate
• 08:45 – The importance of teaching children emotional literacy early on
• 10:23 – Why mandatory mental health education matters
• 12:20 – Coping with depression through medication, therapy, and relapse awareness
• 13:38 – Recognizing personal depression warning signs and recovery strategies
• 15:28 – Building resilience through patience, perspective, and coping tools
• 16:43 – How small, positive steps accumulate into long-term recovery
• 18:26 – Accepting relapses as part of the healing process, not failure
• 20:38 – The value of suicide attempt survivors sharing their experiences

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In this episode of Giving Voice to Depression, mental health advocate Mark Henick helps us break down the dangerous myths and misconceptions about suicide. With compassion and clarity, Mark explains why stigma, silence, and misinformation prevent people from getting the support they need — and how understanding the facts about suicide prevention can save lives.

We discuss harmful beliefs such as “suicide is selfish” or “you can’t stop someone who really wants to die” and replace them with the truth: suicide is preventable, warning signs are real, and simple acts of connection can make a difference.

This episode is for anyone touched by suicide who wants to know what’s true, what’s false, and how to help someone in crisis.

Mark's TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1QoyTmeAYw

Mark's book: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/so-called-normal_mark-henick/28860899/#edition=32308913&idiq=53531887

The website Anita mentioned: https://seizetheawkward.org/

Primary Topics Covered:

• Why most suicidal people don’t actually want to die—they want relief from pain
• The myth that suicide is selfish (and why people often believe they’re a burden)
• Why warning signs are usually present, even if subtle or hidden
• The truth about impulsivity and suicide attempts
• Why previous attempts must be taken seriously, not dismissed
• The harm of calling suicidal thoughts or behaviors “attention-seeking”
• How interventions—sometimes as simple as conversation—can save lives
• Why education, empathy, and persistence are critical for prevention

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction: Suicide Prevention Awareness Month
 01:10 Why the word “suicide” draws attention, but prevention is overlooked
 01:57 Guest introduction: Mark Henick, survivor and advocate
 02:35 Setting the stage: common myths about suicide
 03:07 Myth 1 – People who are suicidal really want to die
 04:05 Depression’s role in narrowing life perspective
 05:01 Why suicidal thoughts often mean “I don’t want to live like this”
 06:42 Myth 2 – Suicide is a selfish act
 07:01 Survivor perspective: believing loved ones would be better off without you
 08:27 Why loved ones may struggle to notice signs in someone close
 10:46 How denial and self-protection keep families from seeing the risk
 11:53 Myth 3 – Suicide happens without warning
 12:02 Signs that are often missed, hidden, or misunderstood
 13:45 The role of impulsivity and unconscious planning
 16:06 Why prevention must start upstream, before crisis
 18:03 Myth 4 – Previous attempts mean someone isn’t serious
 18:19 Why prior attempts are the strongest predictor of future risk
 19:21 Myth 5 – Talking about suicide is just attention-seeking
 20:00 Why suicidal communication is a fight for life, not drama
 22:52 How lack of compassion and misunderstanding silence cries for help
 23:54 Myth 6 – You can’t stop someone who really wants to die
 24:54 Why interventions, connection, and crisis support do work
25:15 Final reflections: persistence, empathy, and taking action

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How do we measure progress when living with a lifelong mental health condition? For Rebecca Lombardo, turning 50 offered the perspective to look back and recognize just how far she’s come.

Ten years ago, she was in the hospital after a suicide attempt. Today, she’s celebrating a decade without self-harm, publishing books, connecting with community, and sharing her story to fight stigma.

In this candid conversation, Rebecca reflects on the realities of living with bipolar disorder—the hard days, the coping tools, and the support from her husband Joe that helped her move forward. She also talks about why positive self-talk, patience, and self-care are crucial parts of recovery, alongside therapy and medication.

This episode is a powerful reminder that progress is possible, even when depression tells us otherwise.

Link to the free Kindle version of Rebecca's book: https://bit.ly/47A7FvO

Rebecca's website: www.rebeccaalombardo.com

Primary Topics Covered:

• Rebecca’s milestone of 10 years without self-harm or hospitalization
• Why progress can be hard to recognize day to day
• The lies of depression: feeling like a burden and unworthy of life
• The importance of positive self-talk and communication with loved ones
• How her suicide attempt changed her perspective on survival and love
• The role of therapy, medication, and ongoing self-work in bipolar recovery
• Using workbooks, education, and peer connection as coping tools
• Why self-care and patience are critical for long-term stability
• How sharing her story helps fight stigma and support others

Timestamps:

00:11 Introduction to the episode and Rebecca’s return
 02:03 Rebecca on turning 50 and reflecting on a decade of progress
 02:57 Realizing it had been 10 years since hospitalization and self-harm
 03:57 Finding the right doctor after 25 years of searching
 05:05 Why it’s hard to see progress when depression dominates thoughts
 06:44 The lies of depression: believing others have better, more attainable lives
 07:28 Celebrating milestones like publishing her book and helping others
 07:39 Misunderstandings of her younger self: feeling like a burden
 08:38 Positive self-talk and communication as recovery tools
 09:56 Remembering her suicide attempt and its impact on her husband Joe
 11:26 Choosing life for herself and future possibilities
 12:08 Learning that medication is only part of recovery—self-work is essential
 13:27 Online learning, peer groups, and writing as healing practices
 14:44 Milestones from age 40 to 50: progress, growth, and hope
 16:33 Advice to listeners: patience, self-awareness, and self-care
 18:23 Rebecca’s blog reminder: don’t settle for the wrong doctor, keep searching
 19:00 Why workbooks and therapy together can be powerful tools
 20:41 The value of guidance, accountability, and professional support
 22:19 Closing reflections and transition to Suicide Prevention Awareness Month

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When someone you love is diagnosed with a mental illness, it changes both of your lives. In this deeply honest and loving episode, Becca and Joe Lombardo invite us inside their 22-year marriage—one shaped by bipolar disorder, depression, suicide attempts, and a level of compassion and communication that could teach us all something.

Together, they share how they moved from confusion and stigma to trust, understanding, and a shared language for navigating tough days. Whether you’re supporting someone with a diagnosis or you are the one living with it, this episode reminds us that relationships rooted in mutual care can survive—and even thrive—despite mental health challenges.

Link to Rebecca's site: www.rebeccaalombardo.com

Primary Topics Covered

• What it’s like to love someone with bipolar disorder
• The early confusion and stigma in their relationship
• How communication became their shared survival tool
• Understanding the difference between support and fixing
• Creating emotional boundaries as a supportive partner
• How a suicide attempt and hospitalization changed their lives
• Tips for partners: what to say, what not to say
• The importance of mutual respect in mental health caregiving
• Why both people need support—not just the one diagnosed
• Building emotional shorthand and showing up with empathy

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and episode setup
01:45 Revisiting a past episode with Becca and Joe Lombardo
02:40 The early days: fear, ignorance, and reconnecting
03:46 Joe on loving the person, not just the diagnosis
05:15 Becca’s suicide attempt and forced hospitalization
06:43 The trauma of separation and lack of control
08:11 Communicating struggles without blame
09:16 Why trying to “fix it” doesn’t work
10:07 Joe’s go-to question: “What can I do or say right now?”
11:33 Mutual respect, repair, and recognizing limits
12:29 Boundaries and healthy communication at work
13:08 Becca’s advice to partners: stay open and listen
14:34 Their work on social media and #KeepTalkingMH
15:48 Dr. Sanz on index cards, shorthand communication
17:02 The value of presence—even on low-functioning days
18:32 Reminder: relationships require support on both sides

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For years, Jordan lived with untreated depression that he hid behind success in sports, social life, and eventually alcohol. Drinking offered temporary relief but quickly spiraled into addiction, hospitalization, and even jail.

After a suicide attempt and years of struggling, Jordan finally embraced treatment, medication, and sobriety. Now three years sober, he uses his lived experience as both a survivor of depression and addiction and a crisis social worker to connect deeply with people in their darkest moments.

In this conversation, Jordan shares how honesty—once seen as weakness—became his greatest strength. By saying the words “I’ve been there,” he gives others the safety and trust they need to believe in the possibility of recovery.

This episode is a powerful story of resilience, transformation, and the healing impact of shared experience.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Jordan’s early experiences of depression as a child and teen
• Why he hid his feelings from family and friends
• How alcohol became a form of self-medication for depression and anxiety
• The destructive cycle of addiction, relapse, and untreated depression
• His suicide attempt and hospitalization as turning points
• The role of AA, medication, and therapy in his recovery
• Why honesty and vulnerability became his “superpowers”
• Using lived experience to connect with others in crisis
• The healing impact of saying “I’ve been where you are”
• How helping others sustains his own sobriety and mental health

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction and episode theme
 01:41 Jordan’s story begins: childhood sadness without a name
 03:23 Why he hid depression from his mother and father
 04:01 The mask of being a strong Black man in high school and college
 04:37 First drink at 17: how alcohol felt like a solution
 05:45 Addiction takes hold—AA, jail, hospitalization
 06:22 Anxiety, hiding in closets, and living in isolation
 07:20 Suicide attempt, hospitalization, and diagnosis of depression
 08:25 Turning point: his mother brings him to detox
 08:50 Committing fully to AA and beginning sobriety
 09:28 Using lived experience as a crisis social worker
 10:31 Why honesty and vulnerability connect deeply in recovery work
 12:10 The possibility of a 180° life turnaround
 13:19 Returning to the same county facility where he was once detained
 14:21 Helping others at their lowest points as his new purpose
 15:38 Reflections on how weakness became strength
 16:31 Closing insights from Terry and Dr. Anita

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