It was a privilege to have Bonnie Tyler on How to Fail back in 2024 - and we are heartbroken to hear of her passing today.   

Bonnie was open, funny and moving when she joined me on How to Fail. Total Eclipse of the Heart made her a global star, and at the time of this recording, she managed to squeeze in an hour on How to Fail between gigs and the release of her new album, In Berlin. It was also her first ever podcast interview. 

You might want to bring the tissues for this one, as we have a bit of a weep when Bonnie talks about losing her amazing mum.  We also touched on miscarriage and a childfree life. Plus her failure at elocution lessons, the fascinating story behind her friendship with Tina Turner, performing for Putin (no, really), being a bit of a hoarder and the secret to a 50-year marriage.

We love you Bonnie Tyler, rest in peace. 

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In this episode, I sit down with bestselling author‑illustrator Charlie Mackesy, whose work – The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse – has become a global touchstone for kindness, vulnerability and hope.

Yet Charlie’s path was anything but straightforward: he grew up feeling inherently at fault, shaped by the pressures of competitive schooling and the emotional weight of carrying the painful stories readers now share with him.

He talks about failing his driving test four times and the devastating loss of his best friend, Jamie, in a car crash – a grief that propelled him to London and sparked the first moment he began drawing compulsively, with music as solace.

Charlie reflects on not achieving what he calls “conventional success” through marriage or children, the underrated importance of friendship and the power of kindness and self‑compassion.

We also explore his years of not earning a living as an artist – a period he now sees not as failure, but as an essential process. Charlie urges us to create without fear, to let go of perfection and to live fully in the imperfect present.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Intro

03:44 Feeling at Fault

04:30 Outsider and School Years

05:55 Carrying Others Stories

13:57 Animals and Ducklings

17:08 Driving Test Failure

18:06 Loss and Aftermath

20:05 Grief Fuels Art

23:14 Bottling Emotions

25:07 Remember Mothers Word

28:28 Mum’s Tactile Reading

29:44 Dementia and Story Comfort

33:21 Redefining Success

37:46 Friendship Essentials

40:37 Kindness and Self Talk

46:09 Failing as an Artist

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

“When people tell you their weight, their sadness, anything, their failings, whatever it is they tell you, treat it like they’re giving you gold.”

“I just wrote a book about a mole who likes cake and friends who are journeying in a difficult way with each other… but I think people just want to be heard and seen.”

“None of us get out of here alive, so why not try? What have you got to lose?”

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

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Jacqueline Wilson - this episode explores how Jacqueline Wilson’s life and career never followed a predictable path. She didn’t become a bestseller until her 40s and the setbacks she faced helped shape the writer she became. It reflects on the imagination and resilience behind unforgettable characters like Tracy Beaker, her ability to reinvent herself, most recently with The Primrose Railway Children and the creativity and determination that have sustained a career spanning more than 100 books. Ultimately, it’s about a woman interrogating creativity, perseverance and the determination required to keep going: swap.fm/l/PawxjS1dFBaohoKZXfpL

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Anastacia has released eight albums and sold over 50 million records worldwide. She has collected a total of 227 gold and platinum certifications and counts Elton John as one of her biggest fans.

In 2000, she released "I'm Outta Love", her debut single, which quickly topped charts worldwide and paved the way for her first album, Not That Kind. This year sees her embark on a major arena tour to celebrate that album’s 25th anniversary.

In this episode we talk about her experience with breast cancer - she underwent a double mastectomy in 2013 after being diagnosed for the second time, dealing with sexism in the music industry and being a mother beyond the traditional sense.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Intro

02:32 Brodie Joins the Studio

03:15 Day Jobs Before Fame

04:16 Not That Kind at 25

05:31 Finding Her Sound

08:25 Celebrity Gig Stories

11:34 Failures Tech and Glasses

26:04 Dream Glasses Partnership

26:57 Tinted Lenses Origin Story

28:31 Sexism and Image Pressure

31:45 Redefining Femininity

32:32 Cancer Advocacy Fire

37:40 Self Care Birthday Hack

41:44 Writing Singable Songs

44:22 Mothering Beyond Biology

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

Give yourself a self-care birthday - go and get a mammogram

There are so many different ways to be a mother

 So the word cancer, I didn't like it, but I looked at the first three letters

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

Anastacia is celebrating 25 years since the release of her debut album ‘Not That Kind’ and is taking her #NTK2026 on the road

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Shania Twain - took us back to her childhood, where she felt she grew up too fast, singing in smoke-filled bars at a young age. There are some real similarities between these two episodes - see what you think: swap.fm/l/JyU54nvq2muyBpNFq3B9

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Welcome to the FIRST EVER How To Fail Roundtable - a format we enjoyed so much we might just keep it. Today, Elizabeth is joined by broadcaster, actor, author and comedian Mel Giedroyc, and presenting powerhouse AJ Odudu for a candid conversation about body confidence, midlife reinvention and self-acceptance. Brought to you by Dove Whole Body Deodorant, they discuss navigating public scrutiny, aging, personal experiences of the menopause and the importance of friendship. 

Together, they explore how honesty, resilience and everyday rituals can help us feel more confident and comfortable in our own skin.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE: 

00:00 Intro

02:39 Mel on body confidence

05:50 AJ on self appreciation

06:53 Freshness and shoot day hacks

09:08 Mel career and live TV

11:46 Screen scrutiny and representation

18:05 Midlife reinvention begins

22:15 The Power of Invisibility

23:51 Slowing Down to Go Deeper

24:58 AJ on Reinvention and Grief

27:32 Daily Rituals as Survival

28:45 Perimenopause Reality Check

30:47 HRT and Finding Relief

33:46 Owning ‘No’ and the Crone Era

35:42 Women Supporting Women Finale

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

Mel: Body confidence, to me, is literally getting closer to the mirror.

AJ: We don't worship ourselves and honour our bodies in the way that we should. 

Elizabeth: Everything is data acquisition about the thing that went wrong… you can do better next time or make different choices.

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In a career spanning four decades, Dame Kristin Scott Thomas has become one of Britain’s most celebrated actors: Four Weddings and a Funeral, The English Patient, The Horse Whisperer, Tell No One and Slow Horses, alongside acclaimed stage work including her Olivier‑winning performance in The Seagull.

Yet her path was far from straightforward: discouraged at drama school, she moved to Paris as an au pair and rebuilt her training from scratch. Her childhood had already been shaped by profound loss after the deaths of her father and stepfather in near‑identical accidents. She has now channelled these experiences into her directorial debut, My Mother’s Wedding, which she also co‑wrote and stars in, alongside Scarlett Johansson, Sienna Miller and Emily Beecham.

We talk about her early grief, the emotional armour she built as a teenager, the chaotic experience of filming with Prince, making My Mother’s Wedding, the power of women writing women, her unforgettable Fleabag monologue and the joy and clarity she has found in her 60s.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Intro

03:15 Reclaiming a Tragic Narrative

04:59 Joy in her 60s

06:22 Co Writing With Her Husband

07:03 Animation and Childhood Memory

09:07 Casting and Creative Reunions

12:23 Failure One: Prince Film Debut

17:06 Fame Theater and Radical Roles

24:09 Under the Cherry Moon Lessons

25:28 Failure Two: Teenage Grief

26:24 Childhood Losses

27:58 Eldest Sibling Burden

28:37 Acting Through Sadness

29:59 English Patient Reflections

33:19 Four Weddings Role

36:39 Therapy and Healing

43:41 Grief Advice and Faith

45:45 Football and Identity

49:16 Aging and Gratitude

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

“I wanted to take my past and make it into something positive.”

“If people enjoy what you do, it’s not bad.”

“Having children allowed me to see where I’d gone wrong and where I was beating myself up.”

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

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Rosamund Pike - this episode explores how her career has resisted tidy narratives, how she’s navigated fame without reading reviews for 25 years and how her so‑called “failures” – not getting married, struggling with fear, raising two sons while working, even a disastrous attempt at cooking a rabbit – have shaped her. It’s ultimately about a woman interrogating identity, courage and the stories she tells herself:http://swap.fm/l/tePOA4HZ2PoaBBwudnv7

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What draws an award-winning writer to the darkest corners of human behaviour? Patrick Radden-Keefe is a New York Times bestselling author and staff writer at The New Yorker. He is known for his acclaimed books, including Empire of Pain and Say Nothing - the latter was adapted into a BAFTA and Emmy-nominated drama series.

Radden Keefe’s latest book, London Falling, investigates the life and untimely death of Zac Brettler, a North London teenager drawn into the criminal underworld. In this conversation, Patrick reflects on why he is so fascinated by “the bad guys”, how the extraordinary story behind London Falling unfolded and his unconventional writing process.

Patrick also talks about the years of rejection that preceded his success and how it has shaped him. I hope you enjoy this conversation with one of the world’s finest narrative journalists (oh, and Patrick). JUST KIDDING.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

03:25 Why He Writes Bad Guys

05:12 London Falling Origin Story

08:01 Reinvention and Secret Lives

10:06 Holocaust Legacy and Lying

14:58 Carrying Grief and First Failure

31:47 Parents Read First Drafts

33:13 Family Themes And Fixations

34:22 Chasing The New Yorker Dream

36:49 Rejection Resentment And Drive

41:14 What To Leave Out

43:28 Research Outline

48:13 Screenplays That Never Get Made

50:51 Growth Outside Comfort Zone

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

I tend to look at people, even people who do pretty monstrous things, as human beings... The question for me is always, how did they get there? And usually they got there by degrees.

I'd like to think that the sense of who you are as a person isn't contingent on the dopamine hit of people telling you you've done a good job.

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Jon Ronson - another journalistic hero of mine, Jon talked about his love of storytelling, what being bullied at school taught him and why truth-telling is vital: swap.fm/l/3Uwm2GCNCBpHQVZc6dwr

Malcolm Gladwell - on being mediocre at running, failing to be a friend and whether prejudice can ever be a force for good: swap.fm/l/CxIsEyNtJcyXROPZQCvh

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*triggers: This episode includes discussion of depression and mental health crises.

In 1997 Natalie Imbruglia released her first single, Torn, which sold more than 4 million physical copies worldwide. In her homeland of Australia, it became the most played song on the radio, being played an average of 75 times a day over the two decades following its release.

She landed a part in Neighbours in 1985, when she was just 16 years old, and stayed on the hugely popular soap for two years before moving to London. Her first album, Left Of Middle, went multi-platinum. Five further albums followed but it wasn’t always easy: in 2009 she took a six-year break from music to concentrate on acting, appearing on stage and in film and also as a judge on the Australian X Factor. Since then, she has released further music, become a mother to a son and won The Masked Singer.

Now she returns with her seventh studio album, Algorithm.

We talk about how writing this album coincided with the perimenopause, reflect on her time in Neighbours, her experience of dating apps, going through solo IVF to have her son, the sexism she faced in the music industry, plus the wisdom she has found in her 50s.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

03:08 Making Natalie’s new album Algorithm

04:55 Neurodivergence and Menopause

08:59 Death Scrolling

10:47 Dropped by Label

16:07 Neighbors and Rejection

25:35 Dating in Your 30s

27:15 Rejection Builds Clarity

27:37 Choosing Love Over Biology

30:47 IVF Reality Check

34:13 Single Mother Headlines

35:48 Manifesting With Lists

38:11 Living After Torn

43:53 Sexism and Aging Power

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

It doesn't matter who it is, never give your power over to another human being. Never think somebody knows you better than you know yourself.

I'm quite good at being the underdog. I find it much scarier to be at the top, waiting to fall off a pedestal.

Sometimes the universe is working for you, it just doesn't feel that way at the time.

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

Natalie’s latest album, ‘Algorithm’ is to be released on 4th September. Pre-order here: republicofmusic.lnk.to/algorithm

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Shania Twain - this episode reflects on a childhood marked by poverty, early fame, loss and self-doubt: swap.fm/l/JyU54nvq2muyBpNFq3B9

Lily Allen - talks about failing to be famous, body image, children, marital breakdown, addiction and songwriting: swap.fm/l/8Otj3tpmbH5SF4xjVHTJ

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Hannah Murray found fame when she was just 17, playing the self-destructive Cassie in E4’s Skins. She juggled an English degree at Cambridge University alongside playing Gilly in HBO’s Game Of Thrones and went on to film Detroit, directed by Kathryn Bigelow.

When the physical and mental stress required from these roles began to take its toll, Murray sought treatment from a reiki healer. From there, her life began to spiral as she became heavily involved with a ‘healing’ organisation whose promises of real-life magic and enlightenment were increasingly seductive. She ended up being sectioned after a psychotic break and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Now, she has written her first book. The Make-Believe: A Memoir of Magic and Madness is a deeply personal account of these events, written with compulsive lyricism. It takes readers on a journey to the edges of reality, where magic is possible, and where the liminal space between what is real and what is imagined becomes ever more porous.

In this episode we delve into Hannah’s breakdown and what it taught her. We discuss living with BPD, her decision to quit acting and why, as a society, it’s so important to talk about severe mental health conditions - even if it makes us uncomfortable. Plus: when does our modern obsession with ‘wellness’ go too far?

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Introduction

04:30 Acting Roles and Emotional Toll

07:51 The Memoir

09:17 Traumatic Filming and Aftermath

11:57 Failure to Be Happy Always

16:06 Rapture Highs and Bipolar

18:14 Reiki Rabbit Hole and Cult Questions

28:50 Wellness as Addiction

30:25 Hotel Breakdown Begins

32:17 Exorcism and Delusions

33:26 Realizing You're Sectioned

35:18 Medication and Coming Back

36:12 Shame to Compassion

42:55 Bipolar Mania Explained

48:41 Leaving Acting and Moving On

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

On the nature of modern mental health discourse: "What if I want to talk about when I was drinking my own urine on a psychiatric ward? You can’t really say that at a dinner party... there is still a big taboo around psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, and other conditions that are less palatable and less kind of cozy."

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

The Make-Believe by Hannah Murray is available now in hardback and audio, read by Hannah https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/471422/the-make-believe-by-murray-hannah/9781529155211

Hannah will be in conversation with Jessie Cave at Kings Place on Friday 5th June. Link to tickets here: https://www.kingsplace.co.uk/whats-on/words/hannah-murray-in-conversation-with-jessie-cave/

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Jennette McCurdy - discusses childhood fame, toxic family dynamics, eating disorders, grief and how reclaiming her own identity after her mother’s death ultimately set her free: swap.fm/l/DqqwmylXlnMvnfOmG53z

Marian Keyes - the bestselling writer on addiction, creative insecurity and body image: swap.fm/l/3opU8XRCVTQLV4v994U5

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Emily Atack left school at 16, confident she wouldn’t need a GCSE for what she wanted to do: act. It turns out, she was correct. She starred as Charlotte Hinchcliffe in the smash-hit comedy The Inbetweeners when she was just 17 and is currently on our screens as Sarah Stratton in Disney+’s hit drama Rivals, as well as co-hosting a new ITV game show, Nobody’s Fool, with Danny Dyer.

But it hasn’t always been easy: she faced sexual harassment and abuse from the age of 10. We talk about the impact this has had on how she now understands her own capabilities and about how her unbreakable bond with her sister, Martha, has helped her survive the toughest challenges.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Introduction to Emily

03:19 Learning Boundaries

05:33 Class and Growing Up

07:39 Paul McCartney Connection

10:00 Failing to Believe In Herself

14:58 Leaving Home at Sixteen

25:10 Inbetweeners Fame Fallout

30:18 Praise for Rivals

31:23 Earning Creative Trust

32:51 Emotional Regulation Struggles

35:40 Forgiveness and Loneliness

37:20 Childhood Trauma and Sex

41:35 Alistair and Finding Home

46:52 Motherhood and Body Image

55:19 Keeping Nice Things and Goodbye

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

So many people don’t take responsibility for their failures…. Which is why this podcast is so great.

Forgiveness is something you have to find in yourself

I hate being called fat - it hurts my feelings.

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

Emily hosts ‘Nobody’s Fool’, a brand new strategic quiz show with Danny Dyer, available to stream on ITVX, with the final three episodes airing on 30th, 31st May and the final on 1st June at 9pm on ITV1 and ITVX

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Katherine Parkinson - Fresh from her latest BAFTA win, Katherine Parkinson joined Elizabeth to discuss the self-doubt, trauma, humour and resilience that shaped her journey from awkward outsider to one of Britain’s most beloved actors: swap.fm/l/CplscDFzT9oyNGV1Oan0

Danny Dyer – the actor and national treasure on identity, anger, vulnerability and learning to break the patterns you were born into: swap.fm/l/L192dU5DZHQnCUjFWuX8

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Katherine Parkinson is the two‑time BAFTA‑winning actor beloved for The IT Crowd, Doc Martin, Humans and most recently, Rivals, the hit Jilly Cooper adaptation that became an international Emmy winner. Fresh from her latest BAFTA win, she joins Elizabeth to reflect on the unexpected turns that shaped her life – from Surbiton to Oxford, from comedy to chaos, and from self‑doubt to a hard‑won sense of confidence.

In this episode, we talk about her childhood dreams of becoming an astronaut, how her brothers are convinced she’s in MI5 (we will never know), the class anxieties that coloured her university years, her lifelong battle with disorganisation and the pressure she put on herself to “earn her place”. Katherine also opens up – for the first time – about a violent assault she minimised for years, the shame she carried and how motherhood has reframed her understanding of fear, safety and resilience.

We also explore the joy she found in acting, the liberation of embracing her own contradictions, the friendships that sustained her and the work that goes into rebuilding after trauma.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Intro

03:48 Northern Ireland Roots

04:06 Why Rivals Works

05:34 Class and Oxford

08:08 Lizzie and Fred Fred

10:51 Jilly Cooper Loss

14:03 Failure One Disorganised

15:46 Exam Breakdown Story

19:14 Fear of Winning

20:52 MI5 and Astronaut Dreams

22:07 Academia vs Acting

23:07 Pressure and Perfectionism

23:59 Choosing the Actor Path

25:23 Facing Unprocessed Trauma

26:04 Assault

30:03 Shame and Cultural Context

33:45 Anxiety and Motherhood

38:56 Anger and Survival Instincts

40:08 Oboe Failure and Braces

42:21 Failing Freely as an Actor

43:49 Happiness and Goodbye

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

“My mum has always said to me, ‘You’re not afraid to fail’”

“I don’t think I’ve ever been in a company [as Rivals] where everybody makes me laugh so much, and that is literally all I care about.”

“I used to want to be an astronaut.”

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

All episodes of Rivals are now available to stream on Disney+ in the UK and internationally, with new episodes dropping weekly and a second instalment arriving later in the year. In the US, the series is available exclusively on Hulu.

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📚 WANT MORE?

Danny Dyer – the actor and national treasure on identity, anger, vulnerability and learning to break the patterns you were born into: swap.fm/l/L192dU5DZHQnCUjFWuX8

Miranda Hart – the beloved comedian and writer on anxiety, belonging, people-pleasing and finding the courage to take up space: swap.fm/l/oTScN30b80GflJtO4rgu

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