IndoctriNation

In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein talks with Dr. Natalie Fabert, an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University and a licensed psychologist specializing in trauma and abuse, particularly cultic abuse. Natalie announces her collaboration with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center on an online continuing education course designed for mental health clinicians to effectively support survivors of cult abuse and coercive control. Throughout the episode, Natalie discusses her journey into this area, the complexity of trauma recovery, and the importance of trauma-informed approaches in therapeutic settings. Rachel and Natalie highlight the need for specialized training for therapists and the significance of understanding and addressing the unique challenges faced by survivors.

Dr. Fabert’s Links

CE Course: https://lalichcenterce.thinkific.com/courses/lalichcenterCE

Lalich Center: https://www.lalichcenter.org/

Dr. Fabert’s Website: https://www.drfabert.com/

Dr. Fabert’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drfabert/

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

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Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

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This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination 

In this Patreon exclusive episode, Rachel Bernstein explores the psychological and social dynamics that unfold when a cult leader is attacked or faced with accusations. The episode covers the common defensive responses from followers, such as ad hominem attacks, increased group cohesion, and rationalization. Rachel explains the backfire effect, conspiracy theories, and the widespread emotional turmoil that often leads to trauma, cognitive dissonance, and social isolation among cult members. The narrative also touches upon the potential outcomes for cults during such crises, whether they dissolve, fracture, or continue under new leadership. Additionally, it underscores the importance of seeking justice against offending leaders to deter further harm.

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

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In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein speaks with Dr. Christine Cocchiola, an expert on coercive control, a social work professor, and developer of the Protective Parenting Program. Dr. Cocchiola shares her personal and professional experiences dealing with coercive control in familial and intimate relationships. Discussion topics include manipulation dynamics, cultural conditioning, the challenges of protective parenting, and strategies for safely exiting abusive situations. 

Dr. Cocchiola’s Links

Website: https://www.coercivecontrolconsulting.com/

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

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 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

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In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein sits down with Mark Scheeren, co-founder of the Baldwin Research Institute and co-author of 'The Freedom Model for Addictions.' Mark shares his personal journey through Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and his subsequent realization of the program's flaws. He discusses the creation of the Freedom Model, a non-12-step recovery approach, which focuses on autonomy, factual education, and challenging myths around addiction. Mark critiques the traditional 12-step model, emphasizing the importance of understanding personal motivations for substance use and the detrimental effects of labeling individuals as powerless or diseased. Rachel and Mark explore various aspects of addiction recovery, societal misconceptions, and the advantages of a more individualized, empowering approach to overcoming substance dependence.

Mark’s Links

Website: https://www.thefreedommodel.org/about/

Book: https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Model-Addictions-Treatment-Recovery-ebook/dp/B077MFMV4M?ref_=ast_author_dp&th=1&psc=1

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

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Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

Download Rachel’s Video Lectures and Webinars here:

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IndoctriNation is edited by The Podcast Consultant:

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This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination 

In this Patreon exclusive episode, Rachel Bernstein discusses the challenges faced by former cult members and individuals who have been in manipulative relationships. Key topics include recognizing healthy relationships, understanding the impact of living in controlled environments, the importance of setting personal boundaries, practicing self-compassion, and gradually reentering social settings. The episode aims to provide practical advice and emotional support for listeners working towards building stable, positive connections after periods of manipulation and control.

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

https://a.co/d/1ssz4Rm

Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

Download Rachel’s Video Lectures and Webinars here:

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In this episode, we continue exploring Jon Atack’s latest work, "If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming."

In our previous episode with Jon, we began unpacking the intricate web of beliefs that form the foundation of Scientology. Today, we'll go even deeper, examining the historical connections between Scientology and other esoteric movements, from Madame Blavatsky's Theosophy to surprising links with occult practices.

Jon brings his unique perspective as both a former high-ranking Scientologist and as the author of the definitive historical account of the organization. His firsthand experience, combined with decades of research, makes him one of the most knowledgeable voices on this subject.

We'll explore ideas about aliens, ancient civilizations, and the bizarre cosmology that forms Scientology's secret upper-level teachings. Jon will help us understand how these beliefs connect to broader patterns found in destructive authoritarian groups throughout history.

Jon’s Links

If Scientology Ruled the World: https://www.amazon.com/If-Scientology-Ruled-World-Occultists-ebook/dp/B0FP5PMNJT

Jon’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@jonatackfamilyfriends6176

Jon’s Website: https://jonatack.co.uk/

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

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Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

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In this episode, we're diving into Jon Atack’s new book "If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming" - an exploration that connects the dots between various authoritarian movements, their shared origins, and the psychological dynamics at play.

Jon spent nine years as a member of Scientology before becoming one of its most informed critics. He's dedicated decades to studying destructive groups, helping former members recover, and understanding how these organizations trap and manipulate people.

In this conversation, we'll explore the fascinating connections between 20th-century cults, the New Age movement, and figures like Madame Blavatsky. We'll examine the psychological underpinnings of authoritarian systems and why certain leaders seem to change their doctrines at whim while maintaining control over their followers.

Jon’s Links

If Scientology Ruled the World: https://www.amazon.com/If-Scientology-Ruled-World-Occultists-ebook/dp/B0FP5PMNJT

Jon’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@jonatackfamilyfriends6176

Jon’s Website: https://jonatack.co.uk/

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

https://a.co/d/1ssz4Rm

Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

Download Rachel’s Video Lectures and Webinars here:

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IndoctriNation is edited by The Podcast Consultant:

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This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination 

In this Patreon-exclusive bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein discusses the challenges of rediscovering one's identity after leaving a cult or a controlling relationship. The episode emphasizes the importance of self-discovery, defining personal values, and rebuilding a sense of self through various techniques such as journaling, exploring passions, and seeking feedback from trusted individuals. It underscores the emotional and psychological impacts of identity loss, including anxiety, depression, and social isolation, while offering practical advice and encouragement for those on this journey. Rachel also highlights the significance of community support, professional help, and setting healthy boundaries as essential steps in this transformative process.

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 

https://a.co/d/1ssz4Rm

Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4

Download Rachel’s Video Lectures and Webinars here:

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IndoctriNation is edited by The Podcast Consultant:

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In this episode, Rachel Bernstein welcomes Timothy Heffelbower to discuss his experiences with Teen Mania Ministries and the Honor Academy. Timothy shares his journey from being heavily involved in the organization to the challenges and realizations he faced after leaving. They touch on the pressures of maintaining strict schedules, the emphasis on sacrifice and delayed gratification, and the impact such an environment has on one's mental health and life decisions. Timothy also opens up about his personal life, including his family dynamics and career struggles, highlighting the ongoing effects of his time with Teen Mania. This episode provides a deep dive into the complexities of life after a high-control group and the path towards healing and self-worth.

Timothy’s Links

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chasing_trains_book?igsh=MTF2MHZoMjl0aWs4

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: https://a.co/d/1ssz4Rm

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Download Rachel’s Video Lectures and Webinars here:

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In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein welcomes back Pamela Nickel Williams, an educator and author who was born into Scientology. Pamela revisits her life story, from her parents' involvement with L. Ron Hubbard in the late 1950s to her own harrowing experiences within the church. She discusses her memoir, 'Clearly Lies Are True,' which chronicles her journey as a cult and sexual abuse survivor. Pamela also touches on the emotional challenges of writing her book, reconciling her memories, and the importance of breaking the silence around abuse. The conversation delves into the psychological parallels between cult indoctrination and sexual abuse, shedding light on the hidden struggles of those ensnared in systems of control. The episode is a powerful testament to resilience, healing, and the ongoing fight for truth and justice.

Pamela's Links

Book Website: https://www.clearlyliesaretrue.com/

Clearly Lies Are True (Amazon): https://www.amazon.ca/Clearly-Lies-Pamela-Nickel-Williams/dp/B0FMS9KF55/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: https://a.co/d/2phjesu

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IndoctriNation is edited by The Podcast Consultant:

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