Leaving Eden Podcast

In today's episode, Gavi presents an overview of what he has learned over the past 5 months during his deep dive into the manosphere. He and Sadie discuss how the thought patterns that are relied upon for toxic masculinity to operate absolutely share elements with cult control.

TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless it’s relevant to the story we’re telling, and we do our best to give the audience a heads-up before going into detail on any of these topics. In this episode we’re going to be discussing a ton of misogyny, just all of the kinds and shapes of misogyny, but we’ll also likely mention mass shootings, individual violence against women, and sex trafficking.

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In this episode, Sadie and Gavi discuss a few additional details of Jinger Duggar Vuolo's book, Becoming Free Indeed. They then read and react to listener responses regarding the prospective doctrines with which Jinger is raising her children.

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On this Valentine's Day special, Sadie and Gavi discuss sex advice from notorious fundie sex influencers Paul & Morgan and Girl Defined. Later, they are joined by sex therapist Liat Fruman to get a qualified professional's take on this advice.

TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless it’s relevant to the story we’re telling, and we do our best to give the audience a heads-up before going into detail on any of these topics. In this episode, we are going to be going into a lot of detail about purity culture, modesty culture, which brings along a whole lot of homophobia and misogyny and some racism as well. We’re going to talk about sex-shaming, body-shaming, purity rings, the whole nine yards. 

A special note for any listeners who may be asexual, sex-repulsed, minors, or just wanting a heads up on actual explicit content. We are going to be talking about specific bits of sex advice given by these Christian influencers, but we’re going to keep it PG-13 at MOST on the streaming edition, although the Patreon edition might get slightly more blue. 

I want to give you an example at the top, just to level-set. The advice we’re going to be talking about is like, “try new things”, “wear something sexy”, “don’t be afraid to use lube” 

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Sadie and Gavri'el review Jinger Duggar Vuolo's new book, Becoming Free Indeed.

Related Episodes:

Calvinism: Episode 117

Bill Gothard and the IBLP: Episodes 42, 43, and 70

Duggar Family Rundowns: Episodes 16. 17, 75, and 76

Josh Duggar Trial/Duggar Update episodes:

The Pest Arrested Special Episodes: May. 1-6 2021

Josh Duggar Trial Special Episodes: Dec. 4-9 2021

Josh Duggar Sentencing Special: May 25 2022

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On today's episode, Sadie explains the numerological "evidence" that fundamentalists use to prove that the King James Version of the Bible is the full and complete word of God in English. Sadie and Gavi explore the logical fallacies that these "proofs" rely upon. They then explore the much murkier waters of "Bible Code" and how this is used for divination and fortune telling and prophecy in fundamentalist circles.

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On today's episode, Sadie and Gavri'el give a broad overview of Calvinism, including its history, its main doctrinal points, (TULIP) and why it has recently seen such a resurgence in popularity.

TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless it’s relevant to the story we’re telling, and we do our best to give the audience a heads-up before going into detail on any of these topics.

An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast

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Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/artist/6lB7RwSQ9X5gnt1BDNugyS?si=jVhmqFfYRSiruRxekdLgKA.

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In today's episode, Sadie describes the IFB's rules about depictions of Jesus and Gavi examines multiple theories of what Jesus and other biblical figures might have looked like. 

TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless it’s relevant to the story we’re telling, and we do our best to give the audience a heads-up before going into detail on any of these topics.

In what is quite possibly Leaving Eden Podcast's most requested episode ever, Sadie and Gavi discuss Jonestown, The People’s Temple, and the massacre that occurred there in November of 1978.

TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless it’s relevant to the story we’re telling, and we do our best to give the audience a heads-up before going into detail on any of these topics. In this episode, of course we are going to be discussing many deaths by suicide, the majority of which were coerced or forced, and the death of many children, but we think that’s obvious from the episode title and the topic we’re discussing. We are also going to be talking about a lot of very twisted humiliation rituals, control and brainwashing and blackmail rituals, this goes a bit deeper than we were initially aware of. Of course we will give you a heads up before we drop any graphic details, but as usual we are going to err on the side of not glorifying abuse and letting listeners seek out the darker details if they want to. Additionally, you may be confused by or disagree with our portrayals of The People’s Temple, Jim Jones, and his followers. While obviously Jim Jones was a murderer and a controlling and abusive person, it is important to explore his positive attributes in order to explain what his followers saw in him and why they trusted him to begin with. To not do so would be to portray them as witless sheep led to slaughter which would be against the mission of this podcast and also disrespectful to the memories of those who died in 1978 as a result of the actions of Jim Jones.

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Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

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For the final episode of 2022, Sadie and Gavi discuss the film "The Hebrew Hammer." Gavi recounts his impressions of First Baptist Church of Hammond after seeing it in person. 

An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast

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